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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by Twisted6:
Surprised in all these years noone actually fabbed up an intake and fuel rails for an Eaton M90.
Have you missed the entire thread??? 
Nothing fits "on top" the engine for several reasons. Clearance, engine mount, & P/S pump for starters.
I missed where it was an insurmountable brick wall and not just a nuissance to be redesigned.
Clearance - Not being a CSVT owner, I cannot really vouch in that area as far as hoods go, but I have Sunday off and the dimensions of the M90, what the hell I might take some measurements of my own, distance from intake ports to top of valve covers, distance from intake ports to the highest point of where the plastic UIM resides.
Engine mount - Knowing how much Ford likes the parts bin recycling method, I am pretty sure we have the same mount that your talking about. Redesign it. What purpose does it have being that tall? From my memory it bolts on underneath the lower intake manifold, why the need to make it to the highest point in the height of the cylinder heads?
P/S pump - Now you lost me there. For me, the P/S pump is directly above the A/C compressor which is on outer half of the front cylinder bank, nowhere near the center of the engine. Everything else out of the way, there is an idler pulley just above the crankshaft pulley and little to the rear if memory serves. Run the belt up off the P/S pump, over the mount, onto the supercharger, down and UNDERNEATH the idler pulley and around the alternator (Tensioner, crank, A/C..)
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Originally posted by Twisted6:
P/S pump - Now you lost me there. For me, the P/S pump is directly above the A/C compressor which is on outer half of the front cylinder bank, nowhere near the center of the engine. Everything else out of the way, there is an idler pulley just above the crankshaft pulley and little to the rear if memory serves. Run the belt up off the P/S pump, over the mount, onto the supercharger, down and UNDERNEATH the idler pulley and around the alternator (Tensioner, crank, A/C..)
On the Contour the p/s pump is directly beneath the engine mount, on the top center of the engine.
I have to agree that it with access to some steel and a welder it would be possible to fabricate a new engine mount to allow for a top center blower.
If you could find an electric p/s pump or reengineer the pump to spin in a reverse fasion it might even be possible to reroute the belt around the bottom of the p/s pump and then over the blower pulley.
Even if you did find a way to make the p/s work and made a new mount there are still two major factors limiting the posibility to making it all work:
1: If the blower is of any real length it won't clear the cam pulley that drives the water-pump, so you'd have to go to an electric pump and remove the pulley.
2: Even with the Cowl Hood the clearance would be extremely tight.
However, if you really want to run a Roots Style blower on a Contour and you are not concerned about having AC, remove the AC compressor, and build supports to mount a blower in it's place. (this route would also require the use of a remote oil filter) Heck, if you really want AC do this and then custom fab in an aftermarket electric AC system for a Jeep.
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Originally posted by Wyrp:
Originally posted by Twisted6:
P/S pump - Now you lost me there. For me, the P/S pump is directly above the A/C compressor which is on outer half of the front cylinder bank, nowhere near the center of the engine. Everything else out of the way, there is an idler pulley just above the crankshaft pulley and little to the rear if memory serves. Run the belt up off the P/S pump, over the mount, onto the supercharger, down and UNDERNEATH the idler pulley and around the alternator (Tensioner, crank, A/C..)
On the Contour the p/s pump is directly beneath the engine mount, on the top center of the engine.
I have to agree that it with access to some steel and a welder it would be possible to fabricate a new engine mount to allow for a top center blower.
If you could find an electric p/s pump or reengineer the pump to spin in a reverse fasion it might even be possible to reroute the belt around the bottom of the p/s pump and then over the blower pulley.
Even if you did find a way to make the p/s work and made a new mount there are still two major factors limiting the posibility to making it all work:
1: If the blower is of any real length it won't clear the cam pulley that drives the water-pump, so you'd have to go to an electric pump and remove the pulley.
2: Even with the Cowl Hood the clearance would be extremely tight.
However, if you really want to run a Roots Style blower on a Contour and you are not concerned about having AC, remove the AC compressor, and build supports to mount a blower in it's place. (this route would also require the use of a remote oil filter) Heck, if you really want AC do this and then custom fab in an aftermarket electric AC system for a Jeep.
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I measured today:
7 1/2" total from bottom of LIM to highest top point of the plastic UIM.
About 2.5" of it is the LIM.
The height of the M90 is 5.5". The M112 is 5.47".
So design a blower manifold of about 1.75" height, shorten the mount and we end up with a total height less than the stock 3.0L. Sure it is alot more complex than it sounds, issues such as fuel injector/rail placement become an issue, but just continued thinking would work it out.
As for your power steering pump. You can't use the pump off of our engines (Mazda 3.0)? Uses a small remote resevoir that can be mounted anywhere.
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Besides rereading this thread for other issues you have not considered...
All I am going to say is look inside the engine bay of a V6 Contour once and I'll leave it at that.
If it were really as simple as you make it sound it would have been done long ago. Trust me.
With everything at their disposal even Ford used a remote mount location for their concept car. 
I really wish it was as simple as mounting it on top of the engine.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Besides rereading this thread for other issues you have not considered...
All I am going to say is look inside the engine bay of a V6 Contour once and I'll leave it at that.
If it were really as simple as you make it sound it would have been done long ago. Trust me.
With everything at their disposal even Ford used a remote mount location for their concept car.
I really wish it was as simple as mounting it on top of the engine.
Fwiw, Ford used the remote mount location on the Cougar Elim. in order to fit an intercooler as well.
I do believe a non-intercooled positive displacement SC could be fit into the "valley" if someone were willing to put enough time, money and effort into it.
The real question is, is it worth it?
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Originally posted by Rara:
The real question is, is it worth it?
Depends on who does it, as pointed out, there are far less issues to overcome in the Mazda6 3.0 than the 3.0s your swapping in the Tours and the factory 2.5s.
I like a challenge, rather, I love a challenge. When someone says it cannot be done or is too hard, I love to find a way (Hell I am buying a $500 intake manifold just to see if it will fit [And a $400 CD ignition box with universal directions that were no help]).
An M90 can be bought off of a GM 3800 on Ebay for just a few hundred. Quite a few sites littered with all the particular dimensions you need off of an Eaton M90 to draw up an intake manifold and submit it to a machine shop. It could all be done up for far less than the ADC or Vortech kits, for me that is. Mount the injectors on the outside rather than in, fab up two fuel rails (Hell I've seen someone here do it with just a few pieces from Aeroquip). Shorten the engine mount (I plan on purchasing some flexible urethane and taking mine off to see how easy it would be to do so).
ZZPerformance will even take your M90 and swap in Gen IV MP112 (Found on the Lightning and 03 Cobra) rotors and snout all in the existing M90 casing for only $649 (Save you supply the donor MP112).
I have personally witnessed how well these breath on a GM 3800 and what kind of numbers they can post.
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See, I typically discourage a lot of folks from thier silly harebrained schemes, because they have no idea what they are getting into. However, in your case, I wholeheartedly agree that you should give it a shot. You seem to understand what you are going to have to deal with, so I say go for it. and let me know if I can help.
Fwiw, I have a little bit of experience w/ the Lightnings and the 03 Cobras myself . . . as well as the Cougar Eliminator . . . fun car btw, you'll enjoy having an eaton on the 6.
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Originally posted by Rara:
I do believe a non-intercooled positive displacement SC could be fit into the "valley" if someone were willing to put enough time, money and effort into it.
The real question is, is it worth it?
I don't doubt it could fit in the valley. That's not the issue.
Your runner length would be atrocious. Your power output would be substandard. I agree about the "would it be worth it part" too!
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I think the main issue to look at is the FEAD.
The clearance between the engine and strut tower is beyond minimal.
Even if you lost the power steering  (I've driven without it and that's NOT an option!) and also made a flat engine mount you still have to figure out a way to get the belt to go around a pulley.
Look at the room once. You can't have the pulley above the engine mount because then the belt would have to be around the mount as well.
Also you just don't have the clearance for it to be that high anyway even using a flat mount. You have to consider the height the pulley would add.
That means you would have to design some kind of sideways V shaped setup to locate the pulley below the mount. That means a flat mount wouldn't work anyway and definitely not an arched one like the stock mount.
So going around the mount is probably just not an option.
That would likely mean the only way to get the snout and pulley clearance is a solid mount from the engine directly to the strut tower. The belt would have to go around the mount meaning it would have to be a two piece mount and belt changes would suck.
Also since there is no place to move the P/S pump it's pretty much a moot point. I suppose you could loose the A/C unit and fabricate a mount there so it's not completely out of the question. However that means getting custom high pressure lines made. Nothing comes cheap of course.
So what are your ideas to get it to fit Rara?
I can think of plenty of reasons it probably won't, but anything's better then a jackshaft right... 
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Originally posted by Twisted6:
Originally posted by Rara:
The real question is, is it worth it?
An M90 can be bought off of a GM 3800 on Ebay for just a few hundred.
I have personally witnessed how well these breath on a GM 3800 and what kind of numbers they can post.
In the Pontiac World the Fiero guys have fouund the 3.8L Supercharged engines from the Grand Prix GTP the way to go for high performance mods these days. Here is a nice example...
1988 PONTIAC FIERO GT http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/444061
Est. Horsepower: 300
MODS:
-2000 Supercharged Series II 3800 V6 from a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
-4 Speed Auto from 1997 Pontiac Bonneville
-Eibach Lowering Springs
-17 inch Konig Flatlines (Black Opal finish)
-Ultra Violet Metallic Paint
-Custom Fabricated functional side scoops
Performance mods:
-3.0-3.4 Thrasher modular pulley system (smaller the pulley, the more BOOST)
-1.9 High Ratio rockers by ZZPerformance
-3.33 gears installed in tranny
-Custom Cold Air intake with K&N Cone filter housed behind side scoops
-Custom programmed PCM (still tinkering with it)
Performance:
Best ET: 12.743 @ 105mph
There are loads of these bad A$$ 3.8L Supercharged Fiero's out there... LINK
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Mustang Dyno: 171.6hp/145.3lb
Dynojet Dyno: 171.1hp/148.9lb
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