hey, thanks for the informative advise, i will use it. As for the Lotus, its a table-top discussion everytime i sit to eat with my dad. He is on the list at a few places, some are number one, except he has gone directly to hethel, england for his advice about getting one, mainly because those places may sell them, with yearssss waitting for one, because shipments have not come, lotus screwed themselves for the mean time. in hethel, they say they are pumping out 40 a week to meet US demand. most of the dillemas revolve around the fine print contract, lotus doesn;t want to get sued for screwing up someone elses contract, cuz that woudl put the poor company out of business it if got sued by ford or something. I actually live right off Ventura, so maybe i can convince my dad to screw around here and get one. and the funniest thing is that ebay sells more then anywere else in the world, i am sure of that.