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Originally posted by Derk2000:
Teaching abstinence is like preaching communism...it looks really good on paper, but it doesn't work.
...and why abstinence is good even on paper? 
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Derk2000:
Realisticly we have to just admit to ourselves that our kids will have sex if they want to.
I was wondering how long it would take someone to make the 'They're going to do it anyways' argument. They're going to smoke pot, tobacco, and drink anyways, but I don't see us handing out pipes, papers, and beer glasses in school.
That is one of the stupid comparisons I have ever heard. If you don't drink a beer out of a glass it might not become a life changing decision. 
I think they should teach both in school, our school did, if you want to wait until marriage by all means go ahead, but everyone should be educated on both. As far as condoms being handed out, does that really happen? I don't see having them in vending machnies or in a basket in the nurses office as being "handed out", FWIW.
Some of you should go back and read some of the points I already made. You might learn something. 
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Watch out, Derk. Now Davo will mark you as a commie.
Meanwhile, Davo forgets that youngsters' access to beer, pot, cigarettes is subject to some regulation/control. But two 15 year olds need go to no convenience store, show no IDs, offer no money, steal from no parents' shelf, hold no prescription to have sex. It's free and it's hardwired into their bodies to be horndogs.
As Derk hinted at above, when even the clean cut conservative kids who are to be cream of mormon youth in Utah are STILL out having more kids, they drive home the point that they are still human and still make mistakes. Sometimes ideas of idealogical purity require humans to be perfect before they work.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Watch out, Derk. Now Davo will mark you as a commie.
Meanwhile, Davo forgets that youngsters' access to beer, pot, cigarettes is subject to some regulation/control.
Is that rite? ... Anyways, there are plenty kids that DO NOT have sex. Yes it is hard wired, but I think it's easier to break an addiction to sex than alochol or cigarettes, and i think pot would be closer to sex, more of a mind thing than a physical thing... tho a bit physical too.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
that's a touchy subject, hence why IMO it should be left out of a school's program.
Sex comes down to morals and values...if you were religous you probably wouldn't have those values...I can only assume your not by your views.
Originally posted by ContourKev:
Sex is fun though! They are spreading a Puritan value on us!!!!! Therefore I dont like it! People who are in love, should be allowed to engage in sexual intercourse, they should be teaching Protection!!!! Not "Abstinence"
My school taught both 
If the government wants to cut down on STDs and teen pregnancy then perhaps it should inform the teens about how STDs are spread and how pregnancy occurs, not tell them not to have sex and you'll be cool. Teen will learn about sex one way or another, I know when I learned about it I got really wrong information. Why make sex something mysterious that teens have to guess at; that is why let them guess at what is safe and what is not? Who is to say the parents have the right education anyway? Shouldn't a state institution like school educate teens with the right info, that way we can make sure they have the correct information?
I like this quote, but I know cars and sex are not the same. Quote:
"The only 100 percent way to avoid a car collision is not to drive, but the federal government sure does a lot of advocacy for safety belts," said James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth, a group that promotes education about birth control and condom use.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
they are still human and still make mistakes.
wrong. human we are. a mistake sex is not.
example:
mistake: in class today i incorrectly added while converting binary to decimal.
conscience decision:go get some
young people must be taught the truth concerning the pros and cons of all three basic methods rather than a view that has been slanted to any side. the fact is that abstinance remains the only way to absolutely guarantee ones safety followed by proper protection with no proctetion providing no safeguard against disease or pregnancy. there is no reason for this not to be spoken of both in school and at home. the parents, being parents, have no reason not to know the facts and be able to clearly present them to the children whether they themselves learned the hard way or through a good education at home and at school.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Wow, I wonder what society did before sex education. It has been taught for a blink of the human history eye. I could be dumb, but I don't think our society crumbled or was endangered when people weren't learning everything about sex.
Umm...yea we live in a totaly different world. It used to be acceptable to get married and start a family at 14 or 15 and AIDS just came onto the scene. We have problems we never had before and that requires a totaly different approach. Burring your head in the sand and pretending kids don't have sex is idiotic.
Originally posted by Davo:
Maybe that is the best policy, since abstinence is the only way to prevent STDs. Don't you think it's better to teach a policy that leads to prevention than give the impression that using condoms prevents STDs??
In theory yes. However, it won't work, so shouldn't we take a "something is better than nothing" approach?
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I am going to throw a grenade into this one three sides probably.
1) The federal government's interference in education is unconstitutional. The Constitution does not give the federal government the authority to control or to fund education. Therefore, any action in that area is unconstitutional as the Constitution specifically forbade implied powers in the 10th Amendment.
2) Since sex is a topic that is laden with religious, moral, and legal baggage, it is best left to parents to teach it.
3) However, if it is deemed by the citizens that they want their school to teach a sex-ed topic, the school is obligated to teach it in a factual manner. This means including that abstinence is the only 100% effective method of preventing preganacy and STD's. It should also include methods of safer sex, and what real level of protection they provide.
Parents can add the morality and religion to the material.
Really, though, the more you shove abstinance at kids, the more tempting sex is going to be for them.
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Just because you make a conscious decision does not mean that the decision cannot be a mistake.
Making a mistake just means that if I knew then when I know now, I wouldn't have done it.
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the most ignorant teenager knows atleast 2 things:
-sex can easily result in pregnancy
-sex can easily result in a std(i), whatever you want to call it now
with this in mind safety would be prudent. not knowing what safety measure are available, the subject should find out from a reliable source.
see, no mistake. just basic thought that anybody is capable of.
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