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Sex is fun though! They are spreading a Puritan value on us!!!!! Therefore I dont like it! People who are in love, should be allowed to engage in sexual intercourse, they should be teaching Protection!!!! Not "Abstinence" My school taught both 
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that's a touchy subject, hence why IMO it should be left out of a school's program. Sex comes down to morals and values...if you were religous you probably wouldn't have those values...I can only assume your not by your views. Originally posted by ContourKev:
Sex is fun though! They are spreading a Puritan value on us!!!!! Therefore I dont like it! People who are in love, should be allowed to engage in sexual intercourse, they should be teaching Protection!!!! Not "Abstinence"
My school taught both
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Todays sex ed classes are basically about disesase transmission from person to person. They tell you how to prevent it (Ex. condoms/ disframs....) they do not tell you not to have sex, well at least at my school they don't. I had sex ed last year and there was slips sent home to the parents asking them if their child could attend sex ed by the school.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
that's a touchy subject, hence why IMO it should be left out of a school's program.
Sex comes down to morals and values...if you were religous you probably wouldn't have those values...I can only assume your not by your views.
Originally posted by ContourKev:
Sex is fun though! They are spreading a Puritan value on us!!!!! Therefore I dont like it! People who are in love, should be allowed to engage in sexual intercourse, they should be teaching Protection!!!! Not "Abstinence"
My school taught both
Well, yeah your right. Thats why they should have a waiver form, parent must complete it if they do not want their child participating in a sexual education class. Dont want your kid knowing what reproduction is? Keep em out!
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No, I just believe its the parents job to teach them that stuff. Originally posted by ContourKev:
Dont want your kid knowing what reproduction is? Keep em out!
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Originally posted by Viss1:
I need to know more about what you consider "liberal indoctrination."
Read a couple chapters out of any public school history book. You'll understand what I mean.
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But now, through his actions, Bush has now essentially made it an either/or choice - you don't get the matching funds if you teach anything other than abstinence. I can't think of any motives that don't involve morality or religion that would prompt him to do this.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Any evidence for either assertion?
If you don't understand why abstinence is the only way to prevent pregnancy and STDs, then I really don't know where to start with you. I guess I could recommend some books...
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Are schools with a comprehensive sex-ed curriculum eliminating all mention of the benefits of abstienence? Mine certainly didn't when I went through it.
I suppose not. But you can't really make a point about abstinence if you're giving condoms out at the end of the lesson.
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And I've never read any scientific study that says sex is great for 12 year olds, or, more importantly, that high school kids in general should be having it.
If I get really bored later, I'll hit Google up.
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That's valid. But it does mean that you are against the President's efforts here.
Well, if sex ed is going to be taught, it should be via the abstinence route. I don't think tax dollars should be spent on something parents should be doing. This is why I theorize that unless a shift in policy occurs, people will some day have the same right to child supervision that they do to education. Like if you and your wife/girlfriend/whatever wanted to go to the movies, then the government would be obliged to watch your child(ren) while you were gone.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
I'm confused, are people upset that abstinence is being promoted or is it that they using half-truths and lies to do it?
The reason I posted this article is because I was disgusted at the garbage being taught in the schools in question.
Personally I think schools should teach comprehensive sex-ed, of course all along saying how abstinence is the only 100% foolproof solution for avoiding disease and pregnancy. Seems like common sense to me; why is it such a problem for Bush?
I don't get why funding for ab-ed = mandated "ab-ed only"
Seems like that's a local choice. Of course, we get plenty of unfunded mandates for "diversity" and other social engineering that diverts resources from the 3 R's, but who's griping about that?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Read a couple chapters out of any public school history book. You'll understand what I mean.
I don't see myself getting access to one anytime soon, which is why I figured I'd ask you for support for your assertion.
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Thanks for proving my point.
Since I've apparently been brainwashed, please tell me what Bush's true motive is.
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If you don't understand why abstinence is the only way to prevent pregnancy and STDs, then I really don't know where to start with you. I guess I could recommend some books...
You misundestood my statement.
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I suppose not. But you can't really make a point about abstinence if you're giving condoms out at the end of the lesson.
Are they? And even if so, it wouldn't render the abstinence stuff invalid. If you're going to teach both, teach both.
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Well, if sex ed is going to be taught, it should be via the abstinence route.
Great, but it seems that what's actually happening is a lot more than just a simple "abstinence prevents disease and pregnancy."
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Sex education is something that should entirely be left to parents. I'd rather our kids learn science, math, and history instead.
Growing up with Puritanical and repressed parents, I disagree with this. I learned not a single thimg from my parents regarding sex. As a child, I was not even allowed to go to the public swimming pool, the beach, or even watch the womens events of the Olympics because the women "...are dressed like hussies and whores."
I was never taught anything about sex, never told "were babies come from" or the difference between men and women, only that women and subservent to men.
Perhaps this is why I lost my virginity at 13, when I was sent to stay with my sister in Ohio over the summer.
Do you really want parents like mine teaching children (or more accurately, NOT teaching) about sex?
Sex has an extremely big impact on the lives of all people, more so than any other subject in school, as reproduction is the strongest and most basic instict. It is only right that people be educated about it. The education should also be comprehensive, STD's, contraceptives, abstanence, biological processes, and that damn Miracle of Life video. Ain't no one wanting to have sex after seeing that thing!
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Mix PC-Nazism, far right-wing conservative mandates along with the typical "liberalization" that numerous subjects have been subjected to and it's no damn wonder a fair number of kids have no more than a clue about ANY subject.
Yes, good teachers are hard to come by, but so is good teaching material. NOTHING excuses the quality of material that has been subjected to both liberal and conservative "agendas" to push political leanings in public education.
It seems that some radical elements on both sides of the argument feel the need to shine the other in the most horrid light possible, which does neither justice and only serves to further confuse and founder the goal of an education: learning. Both abstinence and sexual protection should be taught fairly, as doing anything less isn't treating the subject with dignity and intelligence.
This goes far beyond this particular topic, as creationism vs. evolutionism keeps cropping up in the news. Both should see the light of day in a classroom, as both hold scientific and cultural importance. The problem is finding material and a teacher that can and WILL pay each due dilligence. Too few seem to hold the ability to be respectful and informative towards both sides of the topic.
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