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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
 I just really dislike Mustangs, too mass produced for my taste.
And a contour isn't? how do you figure?
My reply was meant to the Mustang humpers who every time they see a pic of a 'Stang their Dick gets hard & eyes grow big.
I'm not here humping my CSVT and dropping drool smilies for every Zetec ATX thats on this site. Contour is definitely mass produced and they don't excite me either.
and btw i would hardly compare a shop full of 400+ horsepower cars to an atx zetec(no offense)
but if that isn't enough to warrant a drool smile i don't think you have a heartbeat or you are not a true car enthusuast...
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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
I just really dislike Mustangs, too mass produced for my taste.
And a contour isn't? how do you figure?
My reply was meant to the Mustang humpers who every time they see a pic of a 'Stang their Dick gets hard & eyes grow big.
I'm not here humping my CSVT and dropping drool smilies for every Zetec ATX thats on this site. Contour is definitely mass produced and they don't excite me either.
and btw i would hardly compare a shop full of 400+ horsepower cars to an atx zetec(no offense)
but if that isn't enough to warrant a drool smile i don't think you have a heartbeat or you are not a true car enthusuast...
Don't take it so personally. It's one mans opinion.
I don't plan on ever owning a Mustang, stock or modded. I've driven SN 95's & Fox Body's and find the interior archaic, the seats trash, the shifter unwieldly and the build quality horrendous. Lets not forget the piss-poor handling.
I agree the Mustangs have a great aftermarket and its a good place to start for cheap HP and a fast ride. But everyone has one and for $5K you have 400HP, so even 400HP Stangs arent that special to me.
Going to classic car-shows has turned me even more off to the mass produced mustang as wall-to-wall they are on every corner. Mustangs have always been mass produced and not a niche car, but to me, that adds to there lack of personality.
Been to two Stang speed shops for Dyno days, APEX and another in San Ramon. Saw multiple Cobrs put down 400 and saw Saleens, Roush's and even a Cobra R to boot. My dick didn't get hard then and it never will for a Stang. WS6's do get a small rise out of me though 
And for your GTO comment, my opinion, I like it a whole helluva lot better than the Mustang.
Don't take it so personally. It's one mans opinion.
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
I don't plan on ever owning a Mustang, stock or modded.
That's fine, they certainly aren't for everyone.
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I've driven SN 95's & Fox Body's and find the interior archaic,
Subjective, but understandable.
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the seats trash,
Which seats are you referring to? Because several of the last gen SN95's had what I consider to be excellent seats. The Bullitt, 01 Cobra, Mach 1, and 03+ Cobra all had excellent seats. Even my 94 Cobra seats are quite good for a production car of that vintage. Granted, I will give you that other versions of the mustang have had some of the worst seats known to man.
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the shifter unwieldly
That's what happens when you are actually putting torque through the trans, it has to be stronger. Try rowing a Viper gearbox sometime. I will admit, there is some room for improvement, which was done for the new S197 mustang . . .
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and the build quality horrendous.
Ok, I'll totally give you this one, and in more ways than you know. I am so glad Dearborn assembly was immediately torn down when SN95 production ceased.
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Lets not forget the piss-poor handling.
This one is where you are wrong. While an SN95 may not be perfect in the handling dept., it certainly is no slouch. I recall several years ago, Sport Compact Car did an article called "Unlikely Contenders" or something like that. They pitted a STOCK 99 or 00 Mustang GT against an Acura Integra Type R. The magazine did track comparisons and the like, and had to work VERY VERY hard to bring thier favorite car out on top, by changing up the rules several times. Its actually a pretty amusing article.
And need I mention our Mustang Cobra that we run in Grand Am Cup, which, with STOCK suspension geometry, was able to push its way to 6th in the overall championship against Porsche 911's and Nissan 350Z's and Caddy CTS-V's, etc.
And the "power argument" doesn't apply to GAC, because engine mods are heavily regulated by the series.
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Mustangs have always been mass produced and not a niche car, but to me, that adds to there lack of personality.
Mustang has easily more personality than the vast majority of cars ever built. You want to try a cool car, that has excellent performance, and low production but zero personality? Drive an M3.
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Don't take it so personally. It's one mans opinion.
It's ok, everyone is entitled to be wrong if they wish
Keep in mind that all this discussion centers around the OLD Mustang, and not the now current model. The new car is vastly improved in all regards.
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well said rara....this coming from a guy who knows a few things about mustangs.. 
and to fmr12b i don't know about you but i don't get sexually turned on by cars...if you do then i may suggest you seek some professional help...
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Originally posted by Rara:
That's fine, they certainly aren't for everyone.
I see RARA agrees all of my points are valid. Last Mustang I drove was a 2001 GT 'Vert with Leather. Seats were horrendous. No bolstering what so ever. And from what I can tell Seats in the 99+ were not changed until MY '05?
Sat in the '03 Cobra and yes the seats were better. Kinda liked the suede.
With Money I do realize you can get a Mustang to handle much better than stock. Stock ones I drove just were not impressive to me. I wasn't hanging the ass end out on curves so maybe thats what I was doing wrong 
I think living in an area that is populated by 6.5million people and knowing that Mustangs are a top ten selling car here in Cali would make you understand they are everywhere and how/why I have formulated my opinion.
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Last Mustang I drove was a 2001 GT 'Vert with Leather. Seats were horrendous. No bolstering what so ever. And from what I can tell Seats in the 99+ were not changed until MY '05?
Sat in the '03 Cobra and yes the seats were better. Kinda liked the suede.
The standard GT seats were the same from 99 to 04 with the exception of minor changes. But, like I said, virtually every "special edition" Mustang, except the 99 Cobra, has drastically better seats than the std base and GT seats.
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With Money I do realize you can get a Mustang to handle much better than stock. Stock ones I drove just were not impressive to me. I wasn't hanging the ass end out on curves so maybe thats what I was doing wrong
With a few specific exceptions, a stock mustang doesn't handle that bad at all. And as far as not being impressive, its because you are comparing it to lightweight fwd cars as far as feel; its nowhere near the same feel. Most "FWD people" just don't understand the difference in feel, and automatically come to the conclusion that "this car sucks". And fwiw, hanging the ass end out, is the SLOW way around a corner, unless you have no grip like a rally car on gravel.
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I think living in an area that is populated by 6.5million people and knowing that Mustangs are a top ten selling car here in Cali would make you understand they are everywhere and how/why I have formulated my opinion.
I'd love to see your source for that top ten in cali stat. I don't believe it. Further, I'm in Dearborn everyday, I live, work, eat, sleep, and play with Mustangs EVERY DAY, and they are far from the boring, ill-handling, everyman slugs you portray them to be. Plus, I grew up in Cali, spent 22 years of my life there. I've been where you've been, and even further, and still don't understand your ill-informed opinion of mustangs.
Granted, I'm a little biased, but so are you . . .
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OK Rara, I'm biased and have formulated a strong opinion based on many subjective points. The CA car sales number I provided for the 3-series (10th best seeling car in CA) and the Mustang within the top-ten was from 2002. Was reported in the Mercury News in our Friday Auto section a great while back but I searched for a link and found nothing. My mind is like a vault so I am sure my figure from memory is correct. Because yes, the Mustang in the top-ten stood out to me. My brother is a subscriber to Ward's as he is a PE/ME/EE and a member (elected officer) of SAE so I will ask him to see if he can dig through some old issues and see if they give state-wide sales figures (Found nothing in Google). Love reading his old Ward's as the insight into the AI is great compared to the car rags. I read yesterday the YR to YR Mustang sales were only up 19% for the month of Nov. I expected a much larger gain as the '05 was was released last month. I see large discouns coming and we already have V6 '05 Stangs discounted $1K in the local paper. What blew me away was that 70K TL's have been sold making the Acura TL the best selling midisze luxury vehicle. And I thought those things were just popular around here! (And yes, I'm trying to change the subject  )
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
I just really dislike Mustangs, too mass produced for my taste.
And a contour isn't? how do you figure?
My reply was meant to the Mustang humpers who every time they see a pic of a 'Stang their Dick gets hard & eyes grow big.
I'm not here humping my CSVT and dropping drool smilies for every Zetec ATX thats on this site. Contour is definitely mass produced and they don't excite me either.
what you got a problem with me and my car
just kidding
but seriously i woudn't mind having one of the new mustangs but im more of a truck person
my car just so happens to be zetec atx and i like it only problem i have with is it dowsn't idle very good with the ac on i hear the v6s are better but i don't have the money and thats a different story all together
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
OK Rara,
I'm biased and have formulated a strong opinion based on many subjective points.
The CA car sales number I provided for the 3-series (10th best seeling car in CA) and the Mustang within the top-ten was from 2002. Was reported in the Mercury News in our Friday Auto section a great while back but I searched for a link and found nothing.
CHART (5):
Best-selling cars -- California**
1. Toyota Camry
2. Honda Accord
3. Toyota Corolla
4. Honda Civic
5. Ford Focus
6. Nissan Altima
7. Ford Taurus
8. Ford Mustang
9. Volkswagen Jetta
10. Mercedes-Benz C
CHART (1):
Best-selling cars -- Bay Area*
1. Honda Accord
2. Toyota Corolla
3. Honda Civic
4. Toyota Camry
5. Ford Taurus
6. Ford Focus
7. Volkswagen Jetta
8. Nissan Altima
9. Ford Mustang
10. BMW 325
Bay Area drivers like foreign cars - SF Gate
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I stand corrected on the sales figures, which, oddly I'm happy about, as it directly affects my paycheck, lol.
In regards to the sales for the Mustang only being up 19%, its mostly due to the lack of supply yet, and filling up the pipeline so to speak. In the case of this close to a new model launch, a stat that is more telling is the time to sell. Traditionally, a 30 day time is about average for most cars, the new mustang is as low as 2 days in many areas, even with some less than scrupulous dealers charging outrageous markups.
As far as the TL, I think its a fantastic car overall, and the sales don't surprise me at all. The appeal of the car is much broader than something like a Mustang (though mustang sales are usually in the 120-150k per year range) so more people are willing to go into debt for it, lol.
Does your brother work at Nummi? I'm guessing because it is one of the few auto industry ties to the Bay Area.
I grew up in the Santa Rosa area and went to High School in Antioch; I interviewed at Nummi right out of college, but decided it wasn't for me.
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