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Time to tell the Columbian President that he either turns cocaine into coffee shipments (on his OWN dime) or we take OUR billions and give his country nightly firestorms..
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people who seek to legalize it are hoping that it will have the same effects as the end of Prohibition did. they are hoping that it will be an end to the violent gangs/cartels that are responsible for the violence involved in marketing this product. they will of course turn to other sources of income but i dont think anything causes as much violence as the drug trade. it seems to make sense except for people being able to walk into a Walgreens and grab a box of dope.  i think it could have bad results, but its too hard to tell, purely speculative. you have to ask yourself, what's worse? a bunch of people running the streets high, legally? or the continuation of violence that we presently enjoy? ps i equate marijuana to alchohol, actually it's not even as bad, and it should be legal to persons over 21. 
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
ps i equate marijuana to alchohol, actually it's not even as bad, and it should be legal to persons over 21.
If you start with the assumption that making so-called victimless "crimes" illegal has never been effective in stopping the widespread behaviour(eg. drugs, prostitution)it seems to me that by definition a different approach is required.
With drugs like marijuana where the behaviour modification and long-term health effects are similar to alcohol, many governments have come to the conclusion that control via regulation will have a much more positive impact on its quality, who uses it, who has access to it, and who manufactures and supplies it. The Netherlands and Switzerland are two examples of countries going this route.
And considering the use of more dangerous drugs, the threat of incarceration and the stigma of a criminal record have proven virtually useless in controlling that behaviour. Family interventions, forced lifestyle change, and medical interventions have all proven more effective. And for those whose drug use behaviour can't be controlled, then the regulated supply of their "fix" must be part of the solution.
The key to winning the war on drugs is to control the demand side of the financial equation.
Spend those billions on effectively regulating and controlling the behaviour of the user, manage and control the supply side to remove the revenue stream from the criminal supplier, and they will, over time, voluntarily stop making the product.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
it seems to make sense except for people being able to walk into a Walgreens and grab a box of dope. ...
ps i equate marijuana to alchohol, actually it's not even as bad, and it should be legal to persons over 21.
Personally I support the legalizaion of marijuana, and would like to see it regulated similarly to alcohol.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Personally I support the legalizaion of marijuana, and would like to see it regulated similarly to alcohol.
Yeah, since that seems to be going so great. 
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Look at what Marc Emery is doing in Canada with his political group in BC. From what I noticed when I was there over Canada Day and the 4th-o-July, it doesn't seem like marajuana is an issue and they were openly smoking and selling pot all over the place.
It seems like they are on their way legalizing it there, might be a good "field test". Canadian and American culture is really close in many ways....... so ya never know.
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Their health system is free and it's great so maybe we should socialize ours. Oh wait, everyone flees to the U.S. when they get sick because their healthcare sucks...
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Originally posted by sigma:
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The only way we can put a dent in these drugs is to de-criminalize them. The price of drugs will go down and drug dealers profits will also, causing drug dealers to stop selling drugs. Locking every drug dealer up isn't going to solve the problem.
This explanation has never made much sense to me and is contrary to the basic laws of economics.
Demand for narcotics is highly inelastic. People who want drugs will buy them. ... But what incentive do the dealers have to lower prices? People are buying at the price they're charging now, and there's no reason to believe it would significantly change demand if they lowered their prices. They can keep their prices the same they are today, sell just as much, and make an even greater profit margin.
Assuming perfectly inelastic demand, as you state, ANY increase in supply will drop the price... that is the basic law of economics. A shift to the right (more Q supplied at every price) will bring the equilibrium price down along the demand curve.
People were buying cds at $18 a pop at your local Sam Goody until Wal-Mart came in and started selling them for 12. Where's the incentive there? Lower prices bring more volume!
Not saying that this is a good or bad answer for solving the problem of drug proliferation and abuse, just pointing out the flaws in the economics!
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Originally posted by Davo:
Yeah, since that seems to be going so great.
What, the war on drugs?
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No, our "regulation" of alcohol.
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