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After reviewing the event many times via TIVO, Ron Artest didn't really "hit" the first guy he went after. He mushed him in the face. Pete was right, that dude's face was PRICELESS.  However, it was still an assault, and in that instance Artest was wrong, period. Jackson, is an ignorant thug and he should get his just desserts. O'Neal was in his right to blast that fan. He came onto the court. Does anyone here remember a couple years back in baseball when a fan came outta the stands onto the field? I don't remember which team, but the outfielder took off his glove and DROPPED the guy!  Baseball actually stood by him. I agree with that notion. If you come onto the players sanctuary, then you deserve your ass whoopin'. However, unprovoked or whatever, doesn't give the player a right to go in the stands and pummel fans. The suspensions handed down should rival Sprewell's. Man, just when I thought I'd never seen anything like the Sprewell incident again....
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
like poking a raging bull with a cattle prod.
That's fun. 
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Originally posted by tttc:
Pure and simple Ron Artest should be ban from basketball for life. Not just because of the fight but also his attitude. He skipped games so he could promote his new cd that is just piss poor.
Perfect!!! These NBA ass holes don't even know what real life is like, they are all spoiled [censored], especially Artest!
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I don't think I have ever read so much B.S. in one post in my life. Being a public figure, especialy a sports player, you have a certain image to uphold, which requires you to be much more tolerant of certian situations. Now listen, what the fan did was wrong, and should have some reprecussion. But that absolutly does not give Ron the right to march up into the stands, had he not been in the stands, we would not have been talking about this, plain and simple, or the famous ceg qoute "NUFF SAID". Indiana Pacers are vastly at fault for grossly over-reacting, why did the other guy jump in the stands and start fighting as well? Why did he not go up there to pull Ron out. It was clear he had other intentions. Now if Espn wants to say that if a fan jumps on the court, they get what they desereve(total B.S.), then a player who jumps in the stands gets what they deserve, plain and simple!Now tell me what did the guy on the court actualy do to deserve to get blasted? He should have never been there in the first place, but are you telling me this is the first time a fan has jumped on to the court, or field of any sport. Is this the first time somone threw something at another player? Doesn't make it right, and that person deserves to be ejected,fined, and if physical harm is done than arrested and dealt with. Ron Arrtest only got wet from what was thrown at him, the game was over, he was going to the showers, he shouldn' have been laying on the table and in my opinion was taunting. Thats not over re-acting  ? I don't think any other stadium would have acted different in a rival situation like this. Typical thug attitude, espn is full of [censored] when they say all other NBA players would have done the same thing  . Must be them awful Detoit fans . Can any non Detroiter give me the last major instance at a sporting event at any Detroit game? You will probaly mention events from 10+ years ago . 
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Originally posted by Antonio:
F-Detriot!
I really thought more of you Antonio. Pleas tell me I'm wrong, and you meant F-the loser,lame fans who are in the middle of this and not the rest of Detroit. 
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since no one got hurt other than a black eye on a couple players, fans, and the NBA i'm still lmao @ the whole incident. several detroit fans were forced to lean back last night. lol. for those who haven't seen it yet here's a link. right click save: http://www.shockpoint.com/pacers_pistons_brawl.avi
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Originally posted by Trapps:
Originally posted by Antonio:
F-Detriot!
I really thought more of you Antonio. Pleas tell me I'm wrong, and you meant F-the loser,lame fans who are in the middle of this and not the rest of Detroit.
My bad Trapps. I meant those fans.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by ESC:
In any case, whether it be bias or if they're just looking to sensationalize, the media coverage tweaked a lot of details from what the tapes show to emphasize their points.
Oh?? How?? Unless George Lucas was involved, I think what happened is pretty damn clear. I'm usually the first to criticize the media, and often ESPN, but their coverage was right on the money tonight.
This was something instigated by a few (whoever threw the first drink), escalated by players involved (Artest Jackson jumping into the stands), and perpetuated by many in the remaining crowd when things got out of hand. The so-called fans involved in this DESERVE to be lambasted, but the city is unfairly being lumped together. Just look at the reactions in this thread based on the poster's location. If you don't believe there is a national media bias against Detroit, it's because you live outside of this area where said bias is the norm. Where is the outrage when fan throwing incidents happen in other cities?
Some details of the ESPN coverage I didn't agree with:
-Artest was clearly hit by a plastic drink cup, even though they referred to it as a cup "possibly bottle".
-Artest was definitely trying to get a rise out of the crowd, not "trying to regain his cool", when he was lying on the scorers table and putting on a pair of headphones from the tv booth.
-Jackson is an idiot, he ran out there to go deck someone. He'd been itching to fight on the court but found no takers, yet he is "looking after his teammate"
-The idiot that ran on the court got what he deserved from Artest, but when he was just getting up when he got sucker punched by JON who wasn't even involved.
-Watch the tape, Jones runs back with a dustpan ready to hurl into the crowd, but caught some sense and didn't do it.
Atheletes certainly have a right to defend themselves. Now who is a bigger threat to Artest last night: 6'8", 245lb (who was overreacting) enraged Ben Wallace, or 5'5" bespectacled Harry Potter heckler who wasn't even the one who threw the drink. Obviously Wallace is the bigger threat to Artest's safety which is why he backed off. Why can he demonstrate restraint from defending himself after getting punched in the throat, but getting soaked with a drink becomes a license to seek out a random fan target.
There is a right to self defence, but these guys are suppose to be professionals. Like it or not they are held to higher expectations of behaviour when they are working. Blame goes all the way around for last night, every single INDIVIDUAL involved, but it will be the organizations they represent that face the repecussions (that seems to be the norm). Sadly this could have been avoided if anyone was willing to "be the bigger man" instead of "acting like the tougher man".
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
The fans are at fault for this - period.
Regardless of what happens on the field/court in any sport, fans should not be throwing things.
Throwing an object at an athlete that has adrenaline pumping through him is like poking a raging bull with a cattle prod.
Players scuffle and fight all the time - that does not entitle any fan to throw objects at the players.
A perfect example is baseball where many players have been hit by batteries being thrown by fans. That's assault and IMHO the player has a right to defend himself.
How about I come watch you work and start throwing stuff at you? 
Was Aretst right in doing so? Maybe, maybe not - that's going to vary from person to person.
The whole situation is a shame.
Bingo.
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Originally posted by Davo:
When I was 14 I didn't run onto NBA courts looking for fights. Besides, I didn't know who have to check for ID before you knock someone out.
LOL, hilarious...
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