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Originally posted by Red1998SVT:
So the military puts out a press release and you buy it completely? Did you guys even bother to consider that military is desperately trying to spin this? Or are you just refusing to face the truth?
I love how people become conspiracy theorists once they are proved wrong. And the day I believe the liberal NY Times, in the liberal north east, over the Military will be a very very cold one.
-Andy
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Originally posted by Red1998SVT:
So the military puts out a press release and you buy it completely? Did you guys even bother to consider that military is desperately trying to spin this? Or are you just refusing to face the truth?
I love how people become conspiracy theorists once they are proved wrong. And the day I believe the liberal NY Times, in the liberal north east, over the Military will be a very very cold one.
-Andy
If the military was hurting for recruits, why would they go to such lenghts to DENY that they are hurting for recruits. I'll take "Things that don't make sense" for $1000 Alex.
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So the military puts out a press release and you buy it completely? Did you guys even bother to consider that military is desperately trying to spin this? Or are you just refusing to face the truth?
Major news outlets have been reporting for MONTHS that the military is struggling for recruits. They have reported that the military is trying to cover up the problem by LOWERING its official "recruiting goals" (in wartime!!! when forces are stretched thin!!!) and lowering standards for new recruits. Apparently you guys are so locked in to your pro-war tunnel vision that you have failed to even notice.
I know I've said this one before, but my brother-in-law's job in Grand Rapids, MI (no base nearby, so its not a Military-town) was as a recruiter. He recently moved back to CA to retrain in ATC before heading to Iraq. He has shown me the mission sheets for the past year, and is excited about the 20th of each month when they made mission early. They certainly were not hurting there.
On top of that, I work with the pool recruits weekly around here. I go to the recruiting office where I explain what the new recruits can expect in boot camp, and I help them train ahead of time, so they don't get slammed once they get to MCRD. My local office is not hurting for recruits, either, and has yet to miss a mission. (Btw, this years mission objectives are HIGHER than last years for the Marines, unlike what the news reports.)
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I agree with you, E1 on multiple points. I too would return to duty today if the military would have me back (no pun intended).
I believe many Marines would be willing to go back in, if given the chance. Its part of the Marine Corps pride, which is taught during prac tests in boot camp. To this day I still have a USMC flag and an American flag hanging on my wall in my living room, and they will always be there.
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I've met Antonio in person, and I've known him through this board for years; I don't, for even a second, think he was part of the PussyPlatoon.
Well, I cannot speak for the other services, but there is only 3 things an injured recruit can do in the Marines.
You can be sent to MRP, where you will work on rehabilitation of your injury, and then return to a different platoon once you are well.
You can be issued a PEB and medically discharged with full benefits (rare).
Or you can cry and hope one of your DI's says, "I don't want this whiner in a foxhole next to me, send this [censored] home."
When I was in boot camp a kid came out of MRP that had been injured 4 times, including two broken bones, and stress fractures. This kid had been in boot camp for close to 2 years, but he toughed it out and you know what, he graduated with me, as one of my squad leaders. He is now serving in Iraq with honor.
Now THAT is commitment!
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Originally posted by Antonio:
I wonder how much Pro War in Iraq [censored] would you be spouting if you had AK and morter rounds flying over your head. I am really curious. I see idiots like Sean Hannity and other talking heads(many on this board) spout all this nonsense BUT they are not over there fighting NOR are thier kids. If you believe so much in the cause then sign up.
Sean Hannity may be a bit of an idiot but I think you got your answer...alot of the guys here have served in the military and several in Iraq. Further, why don't you poll the active duty forces serving now...second thought, it has already been done and by a wide margin the troups serving believe in what they are doing.
You said you do not understand why we are in Iraq and that is clear. But many do understand, and thank God for them.
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Originally posted by PackRat:
If the military was hurting for recruits, why would they go to such lenghts to DENY that they are hurting for recruits. I'll take "Things that don't make sense" for $1000 Alex.
Thank you.
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I support our troops, I do not support their commander in chief or their orders and if given a choice to stay here or go fight I would not go.
I am 12 pages late and will probably receive flames but this is how I feel. I cannot fight for something I do not believe in...
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 hmmm, i sorta agree with what we are doin over here. but when bush spilt the beans, that made it completely pointless. i understand the war on terrorism, that it self needs to be stopped. as for those who are serving over here, it all depends on what unit they are with, MOS, and whatever else plays a role in how you see what is going on. being NATIONAL GUARD........you see the difference quite well as far as being treated with respect from other units (this is a bit off topic, but plays in how i see the point of being here). your supply is limited as for what you are given (whether it be parts, chow, clothing, etc.), our facillities are quite limited (MWRs, Chow Halls, housing, etc.), and batallions/brigades point of action towards certain incidents all play MAJOR roles. we have lost many good men and women here, and nothing is done about it (from brigade/batallion) that is. i feel we have made some progress here so far. it has become somewhat more quiet here, but lately has also been picking right back up. i was never one to want to join the millitary, and joined for quite a different reason than money for school and all that sort.......i feel if you want money for school, might wanna get a J....O....B  other than this (unless its what you want). but i am quite glad i did join for the fact that i feel better inside about myself, knowing i helped attempt to make a difference. as well as seen a whole new outlook on life. but back to what your post was about (  my bad), from where im standing.......the millitary in a whole, yes i could see it doing good to be here (but for who we are with, NOPE).  sorry for rambling
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by Antonio:
I wonder how much Pro War in Iraq [censored] would you be spouting if you had AK and morter rounds flying over your head. I am really curious. I see idiots like Sean Hannity and other talking heads(many on this board) spout all this nonsense BUT they are not over there fighting NOR are thier kids. If you believe so much in the cause then sign up.
Sean Hannity may be a bit of an idiot but I think you got your answer...alot of the guys here have served in the military and several in Iraq. Further, why don't you poll the active duty forces serving now...second thought, it has already been done and by a wide margin the troups serving believe in what they are doing.
You said you do not understand why we are in Iraq and that is clear. But many do understand, and thank God for them.
I did get my answer.
Now I hate America? That is a new one to me.
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
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I agree with you, E1 on multiple points. I too would return to duty today if the military would have me back (no pun intended).
I believe many Marines would be willing to go back in, if given the chance. Its part of the Marine Corps pride, which is taught during prac tests in boot camp. To this day I still have a USMC flag and an American flag hanging on my wall in my living room, and they will always be there.
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I've met Antonio in person, and I've known him through this board for years; I don't, for even a second, think he was part of the PussyPlatoon.
Well, I cannot speak for the other services, but there is only 3 things an injured recruit can do in the Marines.
You can be sent to MRP, where you will work on rehabilitation of your injury, and then return to a different platoon once you are well.
You can be issued a PEB and medically discharged with full benefits (rare).
Or you can cry and hope one of your DI's says, "I don't want this whiner in a foxhole next to me, send this [censored] home."
When I was in boot camp a kid came out of MRP that had been injured 4 times, including two broken bones, and stress fractures. This kid had been in boot camp for close to 2 years, but he toughed it out and you know what, he graduated with me, as one of my squad leaders. He is now serving in Iraq with honor.
Now THAT is commitment!
E1
E1, you and I are on the same page in most respects. More so than Antoino and I, at least as politics go. I don't know what the circumstances of his exit or injuries were, but one point I would make is that there are 2 primary types of PEB's (actually CEPB - Central Physical Evaluation Board) EPTE or DNEPTE, where the condition is determined. Those conditions are 1) Existed Prior to entry and 2) Did Not Exist Prior To Entry. There is a third, which I'll not muddy the waters with. In the EPTE scenario, it was my experience that these were 90% whiners wanting out; "Ouch, my P---- hurts, send me home." 10% are legit and the rigors of Basic/Boot can bring out or exacerbate a condition that would legitimately render a recruict unsuitable for active duty.
The second classification is typically assigned for an injury which occured as a result of service. These people are/were not whiners, they got hurt and the CEPB decides thier fate. There is an appelate process (Demand for Formal Hearing), but these are rarely reversed, at least they weren't in the late 80's. It was, apparently tough to override decisions made by at least 2 Naval doctors holding the Rank of LCDR and above.
I'm well versed here as I have a service connected disability (CPEB determined 10%) with full benefits, that is the result of active duty (Member status 3, Active Duty MARCORPS). I, unfortunately, meet your above descriptor as that (rare) case.
Things are probably different if a member is still in Recruit training, which is Antonio's case.
In any event, I stand by my original sentiment, I wouldn't classify Antonio as an "Ouch, my P---- hurts, send me home" guy.
Mark
Again, Semper Fi
Sorry for the long post - I'm bored
Semper Fi
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