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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I think when he says 'Z' Greg he's refering to the 350....
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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
ouch kremit = owned by dutchie....and i also agree with dutchie i would take a used z which stock for stock is just about as fast as an srt4,and outshines it in ANY other catagory as well IMO.....



You are kidding right?

No Z car was remotely close to 14's (most 16's) until the twin turbo version in the early 90's. Even with it's HP it still barely made it because it had become just so damn portly. (i.e. luxo-barge sports coupe)








yep you got it i meant the current 350z's...

i was just asking about his 70's model because i have always wanted to fix one up....


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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:

for one just because one of your butt buddies has one you chime in every time one is mentioned...it also seems to me like you have a friend that has every kind of car ever mentioned on this site and for your info little boy i have driven the dogs**t out of one,that belongs to my brother in law...and like i said it is fast but that's it....the interior is cramped and just as cheap looking as a regular neon,and wow it has a little wing and a different front bumper cover,but other than that it still looks like a regular neon.....

i will give it props because it does run like a bat out of hell....and it will run neck and neck with my car,would probably be a little faster than me with a better driver....also a friend with a '00 stang gt got his a$$ handed to him by one...i was there,and i laughed my a$$ off,because he thought it was just a neon,he didn't even know what an srt was...

and don't come on here and whine that i'm just angry that its a fast cheap car(which cheap being a word you even used)that is what i said....i said it was fast...and once you get past the quickness of it it is still a cheaply made NEON with a turbo period...the looks suck,and so does the interior.....

and i didn't know you were a master mechanic either....what kind of work did you even do on one?????and even if you did work on one since when does that make you an expert on the car....you know i've ignored alot of stupid crap you spit out on here because you are a fellow southeast ceger,and some of the people i like on there,also like you for some reason,but conrary to what you believe you are not an expert on anything but having a high post count on ceg....and most of your posts are immature babble,and i'm sure i'm not the only one on here that thinks you need



LMAO, umm no. I got friends with some cars, definitely not everyone mentioned. Maybe like 4 or 5 cars I can think of. Are you a big guy? I wouldn't call a srt4 interior cramp. It has a big wing, different bumper covers, and hood. Yeah, like I said looks aren't its big thing. Aerodynamically it's better than a stock neon.
I think you're missing the point. Yes it's cheap and fast, GOOD. Missing other point, yes interior isn't great, my friend was vacuuming and some carpet sucked right up. Like I said though, the IMPORTANT parts are made right. And that's what you pay for. I'd rather have a car with the important parts made right than just it look all nice or the interior be perfect. I don't see what is wrong with a cheap, fast car. Please explain. Remember if you don't want a car you don't have to buy it.


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Originally posted by dutchie:
I've driven both cars, I thought you might assume that from the fact that my brothers kid owns one. However I don't own the car, like you do not. My brother's kid does. I see and hear about it all the time, him being my brothers kid. He is the one driving it everyday and paying for the repairs, not me. You are right, every car model has their lemons. Some have more than others, again consult consumer reports. I wasn't saying they are pos, and I am not blindly bashing the car. Any car I will take the time to 'bash' will be one with which I have had personal, or close personal experience with through friends/family. I am over at my brothers house almost every weekend tinkering on cars, including the before mentioned. I've built engines with the help of my brother (who has been putting cars together for about 15 years). You don't have to have an engineering degree to know the ins and out of what makes a car tick or go fast, and you don't necessarily have to own a car or work on it to know whether or not the car will be reliable or how much value it will retain when you sell it. That is what consumer reports magazine is for. The neon and z are totally different cars. I've driven both cars (best friend has one which I am in all the time, and have worked on) and I would buy a used z over a new srt anyday, but that is just my personal preference. If I am going to drop that much cash, I am not going to buy a car that looks like a jacked up tonka toy over a car that looks like the z. 5k more for the z is actually a deal if you ask me. The neon is made for straight line acceleration. Reminds me of the Omni GLH.
anyway, to each his own....



Should I even reply to you? You are so full of it. First it was his kid's friend, now it's his kid.
SRT4 is not made for JUST straight line acceleration, it is decent in the corners.
So you rely on magazines for your info, well stick to your magazines and outta car forums. They probably are counting every car some kid rags out, treated right they are fine.
Who is forcing you to buy a srt4? There are plenty of cars I would take over a srt4, used mustang, used miata,etc.... That's not the point. Point is the srt4 is fast, reliable (unless driven stupidly), and cheap. Nothing wrong with the 350z, just a srt4 is faster,cheaper, cheaper to build up, and just as reliable.


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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
ouch kremit = owned by dutchie....and i also agree with dutchie i would take a used z which stock for stock is just about as fast as an srt4,and outshines it in ANY other catagory as well IMO.....

btw dutchie do you have any pics of your 240z...i am thinking about a 70's 240 as a project car...sounds like yours is pretty sick...



Owned, haha, righttttt.
USED... There are plenty of used cars faster,better,cheaper than plenty of new cars, sorta moot point. Again, you can get a 350z, no one is forcing you to buy a srt4. The srt4 is definitely the best car ever, neither is the 350z, I wouldn't buy either.


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The twin turbo z cars were the fastest stock, but they got too expensive, so nissan had a hard time selling them. It is fairly easy to make an early 70's z car do 12's and high 11's in the 1/4. Mine runs low 12s consistently, as do a couple others in the z car club. If you are familiar with these cars, you know you don't have to shove a v-8 in them to make them go fast. Mine has the 3L straight six 'stroker' motor and there is more than enough power with the mods for the tires to break out in 2nd. 1st gear is almost useless under full throttle with the 5 speed, without dumping the clutch. The twin turbos are very quick when you get into the heavy mods, just like the tt supras. A guy came out to a z meet last summer with a 90's tt with modded turbos and walked me on the highway. Boost sure does come in handy.


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Originally posted by dutchie:
The twin turbo z cars were the fastest stock, but they got too expensive, so nissan had a hard time selling them. It is fairly easy to make an early 70's z car do 12's and high 11's in the 1/4. Mine runs low 12s consistently, as do a couple others in the z car club. If you are familiar with these cars, you know you don't have to shove a v-8 in them to make them go fast. Mine has the 3L straight six 'stroker' motor and there is more than enough power with the mods for the tires to break out in 2nd. 1st gear is almost useless under full throttle with the 5 speed, without dumping the clutch. The twin turbos are very quick when you get into the heavy mods, just like the tt supras. A guy came out to a z meet last summer with a 90's tt with modded turbos and walked me on the highway. Boost sure does come in handy.





wth that gotta do with what we r talking bout? u r on more crack than me. stick to our off topic topic.


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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:

btw dutchie do you have any pics of your 240z...i am thinking about a 70's 240 as a project car...sounds like yours is pretty sick...





Hey Chris...

Here are a few pics...not the best quality but they give you the idea.

[IMG]http://tinypic.com/ppyyu[/IMG]

[IMG]http://tinypic.com/ppyzp[/IMG]

[IMG]http://tinypic.com/ppz05[/IMG]

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i have personally watched a 90's model z run down another z of the same year in the 1/8th mile with absolutely no tracion. the one that got run down was running with a stock setup but with the boost up to 20psi. and the other one creeped of the line for about the first 100ft. and then nailed it.........i was like the whole time his foot was to the floor!!!!!

they were both auto's.


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yeah, the autos are best for dragging because they make the most consistant times. Must have been nice to watch. I had to watch from my driver side window...

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i know some1 that built up a 240 using a v8 and blewed it up now gonna do one with the nissan/datusn parts. but
this is stoopid i wanna argue more. so there was a srt4 and it had a turbo, ~300whp stock turbo. and then there was another with aftermarket turbo, bit over ~400whp on stock engine no problem. ARGUE!


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