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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Every time you post you make my words more true... :rolleyes:
You are the whiny little brat that had "all this custom work and tuning" done to your [b]EX-contour and it still fell on it's face. What do you say about that... Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
You only single me out because I hit home with all my remarks and you can't logically answer it without resorting to the childish name calling and slander...
Make good on at least one thing you've said you'd do... Leave... But we all now that won't happen because then you would have no one to target with & listen to your incessant whining...
So either stay and actually learn something or make good on atleast one thing you've ever said...
Please.
Oh yeah - Why did near everyone else post exactly what I did too??? Guess everyone is jealous of a car you don't have and never made good numbers with... Oh - and full of BS... Almost forgot that... :rolleyes:[/b] what was the point of your original post anyway. see, i was trying to help the guy out, he asked a question i answered it. you on the other hand decided to attack my post with no relavent information to help out the poster.. something SO typical of you it's practicly a law of nature... if you are so damn "knowledeable" why don't you use some of that info to help out the newbies instead of wasting server space and peoples time with your whiny crap. get a clue man. who said i "all this custom work and tuning" done?!?! i went to the dyno 2x with that car... and the only thing i had on it was a kkm and headers...
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Ok, Eric G. did not dyno on a Standard dyno jet machine. Superchips at that time had a funky dyno machine. Eric G. Had some questions about if it was putting out the intended power. So his dyno's kinda give us a idea but are not Dyno jet proven. Be it that it was off on the + or - side, I don't know for sure. I was on the board back then on the old forums when this information was posted and talked about. Anyone else rember this? As far as it being the single best TQ non power adder mod (NOS, Supercharger,Turbo Charger). Could it? I dunno. It could be but no one has before and after numbers that I have seen posted on the board. If some one has I would be happy to see and be corrected. I know a couple of SVT's with mods that have gone above 160TQ at the wheels with out headers and I was one of them. I am not trying to start anything I just wan't to let everyone know not to take Eric G. dyno as gold. In no way am I dissing on Eric G for he answered a lot of questions for me via forum and email  What I have learned and still learning and I don't even have the tour anymore  Originally posted by bret:
when infact eric g proved A LONG time ago that the shm headers are the singles best bolt on torque increasing mod for this car available. yeah they need the chip to see full benefit, but that is understandable... if anyone needs to be kicked off the boards it is him.
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Skipping my first post (Y, Chip, 3L)
My point was that there is absolutely ZER0 proof that headers make any more torque on this car since there is no dyno proof of it. Matter of fact the dyno's I've seen with them are not too impressive in the TQ department (outside of a few & they used chips)
Then I added "IMO" that SHM, MSDS, and the Mystery Mod would be impossible to tell apart on the dyno too.
You are the one that got so all fired defensive about it & even though many people said the same things you chose me to target. So of course I responded. You still have not defended your position (not that it matters anymore); just only attack.
So I ask you to "look in the mirror"
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Different engine with pushrods... :rolleyes: you forgot something out of your first post. again... eric g 25-30+ lb/ft of tq from headers and a chip... not to shabby.
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Originally posted by bret:
again... eric g 25-30+ lb/ft of tq from headers and a chip... not to shabby. He only had 140TQ to start??? Sounds like the baseline was likely flawed... Either way 1 instance with no "control group" does not make it so... (we've seen chips alone give 160's or Y alone 160's!) As for the "missing" comment. I answered his question, then said the only way to make big torque was a different engine. Both true...
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DemonSVT & bret,
Look at my above post. Did you guys even read that? Do you see what I am talking about?
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Originally posted by Merlin:
DemonSVT & bret,
Look at my above post. Did you guys even read that? Do you see what I am talking about? yeah, i think they use a "mustang" dyno... which produces lower numbers but allows them to dyno at any given throttle position (which would help them with drivability and other tuning issues) that is why i said it was a 25-30tq gainer... assuming eric g had the "standard" dynojet 150 to start with...
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It wasn't a standard in ground dyno jet. I don't even think it was a dyno jet. It was something funky he had never seen before. I think they were boxes or something that connected to the wheels... Originally posted by bret:
yeah, i think they use a "mustang" dyno... which produces lower numbers but allows them to dyno at any given throttle position (which would help them with drivability and other tuning issues) that is why i said it was a 25-30tq gainer... assuming eric g had the "standard" dynojet 150 to start with...
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Timing 14' FP 36,24lbs,190lph,75Maf,65tb,cobra upper&lower,B303, GT-40 Crate with X al heads, Mac shorties, Off Road H,2chamber Flow's dumped, Tokico 5wys, Hotichkis Ctrl Arms, Alum Drive shaft, 3.73, Sub Frame,Steeda Tri-Ax, 94 Seats Drivers side powered.
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Originally posted by Merlin:
DemonSVT & bret,
Look at my above post. Did you guys even read that? Do you see what I am talking about? Yes. That's why I said; the "baseline is flawed" and there was "no control group" In other words. Worthless comparison...
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What in the world is going on here? You guy's seem to think that dyno's are GODS word! You could not be more mistaken. Dyno's CAN BE and I stress CAN BE usefull if they are used properly. From what I gather you guy's are talking about chassis dyno's. Chassis dyno's are the most inaccurate of the dyno family. There are just too many variables to really hone in on what is going on with a high rate of accuracy. Can they be usefull? Yes they can, however you MUST observe a certain criteria[spelling] and follow a strict set of procedures. From what I'm gathering very few people on this board if any have done this. You know ALL of the pioneers of hot rodding built engines with increasing HP and TQ for many years WITHOUT dyno's. The fact that alot of guy's are having to hook your cars up to a machine so that they can tell if the $500 to $3000 worth of parts you bolted on are doing anything usefull for your engines at all, I think is VERY TELLING about alot of the aftermarket stuff that is being peddled out there today.
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