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Originally posted by svt4stv:
***this just in from Iraq***
Heyâ?¦check this out!
Just had 3 mortars hit near our work place, just shy from our location (Time: 0415 A.M. â??? your time!)
The first one hit close to the run way and exploded. No one knew what it was and no â??code redâ? was alarmed, so no one reacted.
The second mortar hit the flight line 200 feet south, south-west of our location, exploding with a "pop"â?¦that one did not explode. The third, which landed almost 5 seconds later, was clearly audible, whistling overhead, until it exploded in front of the runway, 200 feet in front of me. If you saw me running, you'd think I was in the Olympics! I dove into a bunker and waited until the "all clear" signal was alarmed. We're ok, in case you're wondering. No one got hurt.
P.S. This is what I've always wanted to experience in the Marinesâ?¦but with a weapon in hand!
Thank you,
Nicholas M. Gallo
Airframe and Powerplant Specialist II
Q AERONAUTICAL SYSTEMS
(well, at least it sounds like he's having fun  )
yep, been there, done that....
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Originally posted by Mysti-ken:
Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
Originally posted by Mysti-ken:
every Iraqi male over the age of 17 has an AK47; implying that they are combatants.
This is where you're continuing to disconnect from the argument. There has been no such implication, except the one you keep attempting to pin on Sandman.
Thank you, but I did understand the subtleties of Sandman's claim - other than to prove that Iraqi insurgents are well armed (no dispute from me) however, I don't see the relevance of the number of weapons when the discussion was about the number of innocents in Iraq.
The number of insurgents is the important number IMO, and Sandman believes the U.S. government is lieing about that.
The only thing I wanted throughout this discussion was a little balance - good wishes for millions of innocent Iraqis along with the good wishes for the soldiers. Why does anyone have a problem with that?
Yes, I do believe that the insurgency is much larger than any report you are likely to find outside a Secret classification. That is based on what I have experienced while in Iraq for over a year, travelling all throughout the country. Hell, for the first 2 months, I didn't even live in base camp, but rather out of my truck.
My initial post in this thread was to refute the suggestion that weapons proliferation was being exaggerated. I hardly think that is the case.
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
or pay their death compensation (Arab tradition, very different from our culture).
 how about we leave one guy left and pay him the compensation for the rest of the country? they seem to be jubilant when receiving a few thousand bucks when one of their relatives gets killed. (it would save us billions!) 
Originally posted by Tourgasm:
Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Reading the accounts of the offensive from imbedded reporters shows how difficult this action for the military, the administration, and the U.S. as a whole because detractors keep harping on and on about civilian casualties. What they fail to mention--in any way--is the indiscriminate killing by the insurgents via roadside bombings, abductions, car bombs, etc. Our guys are looking for armed militants as targets and act accordingly against that threat; they see anyone as a target. The media holds the military to an entirely different standard than they do the insurgents and seemingly criticize them on it at every available opportunity; talk about a double standard. I'd like to see a comparison of the number of civilians killed as a result of our action and the number killed by the insurgents.
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Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
The media holds the military to an entirely different standard than they do the insurgents and seemingly criticize them on it at every available opportunity; talk about a double standard. I'd like to see a comparison of the number of civilians killed as a result of our action and the number killed by the insurgents.
You don't think that our military should be held to a different standard than insurgents? Comeon...
You're damn right I'm going to hold them to a MUCH HIGHER standard! They are representing the Free World!
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Quote:
The media holds the military to an entirely different standard than they do the insurgents and seemingly criticize them on it at every available opportunity; talk about a double standard. I'd like to see a comparison of the number of civilians killed as a result of our action and the number killed by the insurgents.
That's a pretty [censored] ignorant statement.
Why don't we just hijack planes full of innocents and fly them into Fallujah and see how many insurgents we can kill? I mean, hell, we could probably do it 40 or 50 times at least before we "evened" the civilian body count and we wouldn't have to worry about shooting off million-dollar missles either.
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I think you guys are missing his point. He wasn't saying that we should act the same way with the same tactics. What he was saying is that when a car bomb goes off killing many, it's considered common practice byt he media. But if a US soldier kills an Iraqi civilian accidentally or becuase they were failing to cooperate, the media goes balistic implying the US is unconcerned with the civilians.
I.E. the pregnant Iraqi woman what was killed when the guy driving her truck tried to run thru a check point.
-Andy
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What he was saying is that when a car bomb goes off killing many, it's considered common practice byt he media
That's because a car bomb is common practice. That is their execution of Total War. It's normal and everyday -- therefore not newsworthy when there's more 'abnormal' things to talk about. We used to hear about car bombing in Israel on the news when they happened -- now no one cares because they happen everyday. It's not news worth watching if you expect it.
It's akin to a criminal killing an innocent person on the street and a police officer killing an innocent person on the street. Which do you think is going to get more news?
It's not a double standard, they will both likely receive the same or similar punishments, but we want to hear the story about the police officer more because we don't expect it. We want to know why he would do such a thing. It's not 'normal'. No one's going to watch the channel talking about the criminal killing someone when they can watch the channel reporting about the police officer.
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Originally posted by sigma:
That's because a car bomb is common practice. That is their execution of Total War.
You don't find that sad? Same with a slaying being on the local news.
Most titles don't read, "Man attempts to kill Police officer and is shot" they read "Police Shoot Man."
And we are not arguing what should be accepted I was clarifying that he original messaged was not to advocate the US using terroristic tactics, but how the media treats both.
-Andy
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
I think you guys are missing his point. He wasn't saying that we should act the same way with the same tactics. What he was saying is that when a car bomb goes off killing many, it's considered common practice byt he media. But if a US soldier kills an Iraqi civilian accidentally or becuase they were failing to cooperate, the media goes balistic implying the US is unconcerned with the civilians.
I.E. the pregnant Iraqi woman what was killed when the guy driving her truck tried to run thru a check point.
-Andy
That was exactly my point.
zgendron, sigma you thought I was implying we should indiscriminately kill civilians? 
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