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Originally posted by daenku32:
I'm just talking about mere 50 years ago. When entire block of american population were still forced on the bottom of the barrel.
And I'm not talking about some radical redistribution of wealth. Just a mere bump to kinda make up for it. Because without the racism I doubt we would have nearly as many black ghettoes today.
Read the article I posted. It lists things such as welfare as something for black people. No it definitely isn't completeling, but, hey just read the article, I'm bad at explaining things.
Also, if it weren't for racism, slavery would never have existed. Without slavery millions of Africans would not have been brought to America and thus there wouldn't be the amount of ghettos today. See how crazy it is to try to go back on history and all. Let's move on.
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I was not refering to WWII, I was refering to the Civil War. Originally posted by daenku32:
Oh, and WW2 veterans did get a GI Bill and VA housing. So don't tell me your or my grandparents didn't receive compensation for their troubles.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I am not racist I hate everyone. And I'm not going to read those articles, but since you brought up AA, Antonio, that is just admitting that your not as good as the person next to you and have to use race to 'be as good.'
And if you want to see something worse than racism, Africa itself has clans that hate more than 'racism' hates....
Excuse me? I don't think the person beside me is better then me. The problem is ALOT of people do, just becuase I am black or a minority.
As long as the playing field is not equal, AA will always exist. Look at the recent 'name game' research. Look at the different pay grades between the races. These are facts.
A qualified black man has to 1) work twice as hard to prove himself and 2) try to do so without seeming too agressive so he appears less threatning while 3) trying to maintain his identity to be respected in the black community and still be corporate (reinventing himself every day from 9-5).
So, don't tell me what I am "admitting" myself too. You don't know [censored] about it and your mis-informed post clearly shows that.
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Now I hate America? That is a new one to me.
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Originally posted by Antonio:
3) trying to maintain his identity to be respected in the black community and still be corporate
So, if you become a successful black American you have sold out and aren't respected in the community? Doesn't sound right to me.
I read those articles and they scared me a little bit. Maybe I am just some crazy northerner?
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3) trying to maintain his identity to be respected in the black community and still be corporate (reinventing himself every day from 9-5).
That's the biggest problem right there.
How do you ever expect to get true equality as a race when your own people don't respect it? No one's going to strive to be better than they are if they're put down because of it.
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Originally posted by Antonio:
3) trying to maintain his identity to be respected in the black community and still be corporate (reinventing himself every day from 9-5).
From another thread, relevant to this statement:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
I'm sick and tired of black and minority americans always feeling the need to have to imitate white americans to be successful when it's been proven that if you can be yourself and still be successful.
That certain blacks equate intelligence, or the perception of intelligence, as 'whiteness' is one of the most serious downfalls of the mainstream black movement. I guess 'blackness' consists of showing your bling-bling, Cadillacs, big wheels, etc., all while complaining about the suppression and oppression of black people everywhere.
When you see a black person speaking intelligently on TV, I suggest you think 'Wow, he's intelligent', instead of 'Why is he pretending to be white?'. What you said above is extremely stereotypical, thinking exclusively in black and white. You're the one that needs to re-evaluate your actions, not the intelligent black people on TV.
Why does there have to be an extra attempt to maintain respect in the black community while being 'corporate'? Again, the elimination of stereotypes that the black community holds within itself would be a good first step towards 'equality'. If I had to come home from my job and worry about losing the respect of my people, that's an issue I would take up with my people, not myself or the corporate world.
Originally posted by Antonio:
As long as the playing field is not equal, AA will always exist
A level playing field is not possible with AA.
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What kills me is that it seems many people think that Whites, be they American or British, invented the effigy of the well-dressed, city-slick, well-spoken and arrogant/confident businessman/businesswoman, that apparently minorities are "selling out" to...
It may be attributed to the WASP, but Arabs and the Chinese had it mastered LONG before the Brits were even bathing on a regular basis...
Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Antonio:
3) trying to maintain his identity to be respected in the black community and still be corporate (reinventing himself every day from 9-5).
Why is he wasting his time putting on a false front to be respected in his community? In "corporate", we are all required to become cultivate our professional image, which is very different than our demeanor outside the workplace. Once I leave the workplace, I am myself, and if people don't like who I am, that's their problem.
That said, as long as AA exist, a minority will always be suspected of being less qualified, less able, less desirable. Promoting an equal workplace is no longer just the right thing to do, it is good business.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Antonio:
3) trying to maintain his identity to be respected in the black community and still be corporate (reinventing himself every day from 9-5).
From another thread, relevant to this statement:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
I'm sick and tired of black and minority americans always feeling the need to have to imitate white americans to be successful when it's been proven that if you can be yourself and still be successful.
That certain blacks equate intelligence, or the perception of intelligence, as 'whiteness' is one of the most serious downfalls of the mainstream black movement. I guess 'blackness' consists of showing your bling-bling, Cadillacs, big wheels, etc., all while complaining about the suppression and oppression of black people everywhere.
When you see a black person speaking intelligently on TV, I suggest you think 'Wow, he's intelligent', instead of 'Why is he pretending to be white?'. What you said above is extremely stereotypical, thinking exclusively in black and white. You're the one that needs to re-evaluate your actions, not the intelligent black people on TV.
Why does there have to be an extra attempt to maintain respect in the black community while being 'corporate'? Again, the elimination of stereotypes that the black community holds within itself would be a good first step towards 'equality'. If I had to come home from my job and worry about losing the respect of my people, that's an issue I would take up with my people, not myself or the corporate world.
Originally posted by Antonio:
As long as the playing field is not equal, AA will always exist
A level playing field is not possible with AA.
Wow Davo and I actually agree on something...who woulda guessed that was possible? 
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Antonio, calm down son, we are having a civilized discussion here. Why do you need to maintain two fronts? In my eyes that is part of the problem. Why does it have to be a 'black community'? Why not just 'community'? In my eyes, that is part of the division. White AND Black. AA is used quite often for people to KEEP a job that they should not be in. For example, Val has a woman at work who is completly incompetent (sp?) at her job, but everytime she is repremanded, she cries sexual discrimination. Tell me thats AA. Take race out of the equation. If someone is not qualified for a job, then they should not get it PERIOD. White, Black, Hispanic, Indian, Female, Male, Transvestite, Homosexual, whatever! I'll shut up now. I hope you still love me. Originally posted by Antonio:
3) trying to maintain his identity to be respected in the black community and still be corporate (reinventing himself every day from 9-5).
So, don't tell me what I am "admitting" myself too. You don't know [censored] about it and your mis-informed post clearly shows that.
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