Originally posted by Red1998SVT:

Yes, that seems to be the gist of the neo-con's argument for war against Iraq. They believe that we ought to try to remake the middle east (starting with Iraq) and they strongly advocate for the use of military force to achieve that goal. It is a policy that may make a lot of corporate interests and government contractors very rich in the short run, so it is warmly embraced by the Republican power structure.




Thanks for the links. I might question the Israeli-centric nature of the rational. Have they proof this group as a whole values Israel more than the U.S? I certainly question any buisiness motive. Deep loathing is evident, that is for sure..

Beyond that, the plan is similar to the conclusions I drew myself post 9/11. They seem convinced as do I (though I personnaly lack any "Israeliophillic" tendencies) that fundementalist Islam is a threat BECAUSE they see worldwide freedom and democracy as a THREAT to themselves. That islamic fundamentalism is not as attractive to young muslims before they are indoctrinated in the oppressive, strict, primative culture and the lure of our culture will unravel their rigid doctrine over decades. That we increasingly infuse it into their culture daily with TV, sattellite, internet, movies, electonic books and magazines. We are seen by them as a metastising cancer, we MUST be destroyed. Now in his recent tape, Bin Laden reaches back 2 decades to Isreali attacks on Lebanon as his motive for attaking the U.S. OBL grasping at STRAWS here....or is this a "red herring"..his real reason as I described above?? You be the judge.

The implications are clear...In ONE senerio, jihaddists stop comming after us if we do what they want. Essentially,appeasement should work..As in Spain for example. Well WAIT Spain complied but jihaddists STILL plotted to bomb them just weeks ago. In the OTHER senerio, they hate us for who we our and what our freedom can do to them. Here appeasement is NOT possible. We either change who they are or who WE are. I like who we are. Concider that maybe, just maybe those dread "neocons" were foreward thinking about this issue (as we took hit after terrorist hit last decade)...

You know, we are now hearing more of the Bin Laden tape that everyone is trying to supress. Apparently, OBL is now focusing his threat on ANY STATE that votes BUSH. Looks like I am in trouble here in Virginia...

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