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Never owned a dell. Just seen my sister, best friend, ex girlfriend, my ex girlfriends mom. Many of my parents friends, and many customers and friends of mine, and co workers have problems with dell. Lol, my sister's ethernet card won't let her keep a connection. its not even the card, it just loses connection every 30 seconds or so. reformat, and still happens, new card, new cables, still happens, hook it up to my comp. its fine. hook back to hers its [censored]... not fun spending 2100 on a system to find the internet will never work beyond dial up, even beyound dial up. System shipped back only to have the same problem three times in a row.
I have never personally not known how to build my own systems. I have always built and customized my own laptops from companies. I owned 1 HP Desktop. First computer That i owned since my Mac. And that was in 1990.. in 92. I started custom building computers with my father for people. Now I do it on my own since 98. I have had nothing but problems with only dell machines. Most other problems are dead PS, or dead hard drive, or corrupted hard drive. Which If you live in my area, and you have friends. Computer hard drive corruption is my game. I have had people in Hawaii call me and arrange me to recieve their hard drives. out of over 300+ hard drives, I have saved 90% of them. Even if they are dell! most of the dead ones are ones out of dell or gateway computers.
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I have had my Dimensions 8200 for almost 3 years now and not a single problem. I love mine. A couple of my friends have one and no issues at all. From what i can see, the people that build there own computers always have issues. Even if they get the top dollar stuff. Oh well.
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Originally posted by auiotour:
Componets don't always fail to being crap from the manufacter, they fail also due to bad combinations. Dell uses the cheap unreliable parts that manufacters were gonna through away since they didn't make the cut for retail market. Hit why parts are so cheap. Now that companies know they can make money doing this with big computer companies, they are fighting and price wars are happening and dell is getting some serious deals since imo they are the #1 computer maker right now. But quanity does not make quality. As for video cards, they don't have one, and if they do its on the more expensive systems, they don't usually use intel boards as intel boards are more expensive. They use white label hard drives of wierd companies. next time you got a chance make a boot disk for partition magic, boot into dos, and check the drivers information. Its not maxtor, western digital, or seagate, fuji, samsung, its a no name hard drive they got for $0.10 on the dollar of a normal hard drives worth. Most of the time they are 5400 rpm drives unless you get a more expensive one. they give you crappy monitors that are slightly fuzzy, and less dpi, less lumins. Which means more head aches and harder to see. Dell gets by making their componets cheap. Look at world news. Dell is also known for making computers in third world companies. its not just a bunch of rumors. I have known several people who are incharge of over seas production. he sai they pay people penies to build each computer. I mean talk about supporting outsourcing, and slave labor. There is a lot of factors that go into why dell componets are cheap, and break easily.
Once again, rebutting respectfully, I repair Dells in the feild. They do not use no name hard drives. I have, in my car, a 40 gig Seagate Barracuda that I will be installing tomorrow. So what you are telling me, is that I have a fake Seagate drive. That would be... illegal wouldn't it?
As for the motherboards, like I said, I have not had a chance to really research this topic. I will say that the boards do not have Intel printed on them, but Dell. So, that is in the air.
But I find it hard to believe that someone like Nvidia would sell a boat load of their cards to a major company, knowing that the customer will know what brand it is, also knowing that the cards to not meet their standards. That just has me... 
Also, I have also never heard of a component failing, just because it was not designed to be used with something other component. I mean, no... they would not work, but kill each other? I have heard of a component failing, like a memory bank, which kills a memory card, but not what you mention.
Honestly, the rest of your statements stand up for themselves and can be summed up in one statment, "You get what you pay for." And I agree, once again, with you.
And yes, Dell outsources. As do every other major company in America. So... no way around that one. I am even an outsourced employee of Dell. Just as I was an outsourced employee with Xerox for over 5 years. So is almost every tech support person you talk to on the phone, with Dell and every other major computer manufacturer.
I agree with you, in that outsourceing is EVIL, but unfortunitly it has become a necessary evil. 
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Originally posted by unisys12:
Originally posted by auiotour:
Componets don't always fail to being crap from the manufacter, they fail also due to bad combinations. Dell uses the cheap unreliable parts that manufacters were gonna through away since they didn't make the cut for retail market. Hit why parts are so cheap. Now that companies know they can make money doing this with big computer companies, they are fighting and price wars are happening and dell is getting some serious deals since imo they are the #1 computer maker right now. But quanity does not make quality. As for video cards, they don't have one, and if they do its on the more expensive systems, they don't usually use intel boards as intel boards are more expensive. They use white label hard drives of wierd companies. next time you got a chance make a boot disk for partition magic, boot into dos, and check the drivers information. Its not maxtor, western digital, or seagate, fuji, samsung, its a no name hard drive they got for $0.10 on the dollar of a normal hard drives worth. Most of the time they are 5400 rpm drives unless you get a more expensive one. they give you crappy monitors that are slightly fuzzy, and less dpi, less lumins. Which means more head aches and harder to see. Dell gets by making their componets cheap. Look at world news. Dell is also known for making computers in third world companies. its not just a bunch of rumors. I have known several people who are incharge of over seas production. he sai they pay people penies to build each computer. I mean talk about supporting outsourcing, and slave labor. There is a lot of factors that go into why dell componets are cheap, and break easily.
Once again, rebutting respectfully, I repair Dells in the feild. They do not use no name hard drives. I have, in my car, a 40 gig Seagate Barracuda that I will be installing tomorrow. So what you are telling me, is that I have a fake Seagate drive. That would be... illegal wouldn't it?
As for the motherboards, like I said, I have not had a chance to really research this topic. I will say that the boards do not have Intel printed on them, but Dell. So, that is in the air.
But I find it hard to believe that someone like Nvidia would sell a boat load of their cards to a major company, knowing that the customer will know what brand it is, also knowing that the cards to not meet their standards. That just has me...
Also, I have also never heard of a component failing, just because it was not designed to be used with something other component. I mean, no... they would not work, but kill each other? I have heard of a component failing, like a memory bank, which kills a memory card, but not what you mention.
Honestly, the rest of your statements stand up for themselves and can be summed up in one statment, "You get what you pay for." And I agree, once again, with you.
And yes, Dell outsources. As do every other major company in America. So... no way around that one. I am even an outsourced employee of Dell. Just as I was an outsourced employee with Xerox for over 5 years. So is almost every tech support person you talk to on the phone, with Dell and every other major computer manufacturer.
I agree with you, in that outsourceing is EVIL, but unfortunitly it has become a necessary evil.
Okay in reponse, i have more to add to what I said earlier. its not an uncommon practice to sell parts that didn't make the grade. Example Intel sells Pentium 4 processors. Well, they also sell Intel Celeron Processors. Which are processors that didn't make the grade so Intel relabed them Celeron Instead of Pentium 4. Graphic companies sell their chips to other companies that resell them. nvidia and ati do a lot of business, but they mainly sell chip sets to other companies. that is their main business. Like me. My card is an MSI card, but with the nvidia chip set. Componets fail all the time because they were not designed to work with some things. Use low end memory in a high end system. the memory won't last long. Use and scsi hard drive, at 15000 rpms with a control that only supports speeds of 12000. it won't last as long. Dell uses cheap parts with more expensive parts on their high end systems. And yes, as you said liuke the memory bank stuff, that would be the memory card, those things are not uncommom for any computer brand, custom built or not. They are all custom built systems, just some are sold more then others. A lot more then others. Dell, is still not very good. Dell and AOL have much in common. So many people, but not a decent service/product. Compared to others out there.
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As for video cards, they don't have one, and if they do its on the more expensive systems, they don't usually use intel boards as intel boards are more expensive.
Dell has used Intel Integrated Video as standard on their base models for over 2 years. GeForce 5200s are available for $40.
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They use white label hard drives of wierd companies. next time you got a chance make a boot disk for partition magic, boot into dos, and check the drivers information. Its not maxtor, western digital, or seagate, fuji, samsung, its a no name hard drive they got for $0.10 on the dollar of a normal hard drives worth.
Hitachi has made Dells base model HDs for years. Until recently Maxtor made almost all Dells HDs above their base models but Seagate has been getting an ever-increasing marketshare.
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Most of the time they are 5400 rpm drives unless you get a more expensive one.
Dell hasn't sold a 5400RPM drive on a desktop since the largest HD they offered was 40GB -- and while I couldn't give you a date on that, it would have to be at least 2 years ago.
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they give you crappy monitors that are slightly fuzzy, and less dpi, less lumins. Which means more headaches and harder to see.
All Dell Monitors are rebranded Viewsonics -- one of the best brands in the industry.
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Dell is also known for making computers in third world companies. its not just a bunch of rumors. I have known several people who are incharge of over seas production. he sai they pay people penies to build each computer. I mean talk about supporting outsourcing, and slave labor. There is a lot of factors that go into why dell componets are cheap, and break easily.
I had no idea that Austin, TX and Nashville, TN -- the two facilities were all PCs bound for North America are made -- were such havens of slave labor.
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As for video cards, they don't have one, and if they do its on the more expensive systems, they don't usually use intel boards as intel boards are more expensive.
Dell has used Intel Integrated Video as standard on their base models for over 2 years. GeForce 5200s are available for $40. Yea, they don't have graphics cards, thanks for stating what i said. They cost extra. and thats only if you get one with an AGP slot! as their lower end systems usually dont have one!
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They use white label hard drives of wierd companies. next time you got a chance make a boot disk for partition magic, boot into dos, and check the drivers information. Its not maxtor, western digital, or seagate, fuji, samsung, its a no name hard drive they got for $0.10 on the dollar of a normal hard drives worth.
Hitachi has made Dells base model HDs for years. Until recently Maxtor made almost all Dells HDs above their base models but Seagate has been getting an ever-increasing marketshare.White Label is also used as an expression for cheaper hard drives, not worth a crap. Maxtor is good, they moved away with it. I never said they have never used a decent hard drive. the one thats in my sisters is a hatchi. in my words white label=[censored] hard drive.
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Most of the time they are 5400 rpm drives unless you get a more expensive one.
Dell hasn't sold a 5400RPM drive on a desktop since the largest HD they offered was 40GB -- and while I couldn't give you a date on that, it would have to be at least 2 years ago.not true, my sisters is 60gb, and her drive is 5400 rpm. Wanna explain that one. I recently fixed a 2.4 GHz system, that had a 5400 rpm drive in it. I remember the conversation with my dad when we both saw it labeled 5400 on it.
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they give you crappy monitors that are slightly fuzzy, and less dpi, less lumins. Which means more headaches and harder to see.
All Dell Monitors are rebranded Viewsonics -- one of the best brands in the industry.We all know they are reliabled, but that doesn't change the fact they are not as good. They have lower DPI, less lumins, the quality isn't as good. back to the intel p4 and celeron deal. is stuff that didn't make the grade. just like resistors, some have differen tolerances. which are different grades, 5%, 10%, 15% tolerences. 5% being the best(aka viewsonic/p4) and 10-15% (aka dell/celeron). Is that easier for you to understand.
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Dell is also known for making computers in third world companies. its not just a bunch of rumors. I have known several people who are incharge of over seas production. he said they pay people penies to build each computer. I mean talk about supporting outsourcing, and slave labor. There is a lot of factors that go into why dell componets are cheap, and break easily.
I had no idea that Austin, TX and Nashville, TN -- the two facilities were all PCs bound for North America are made -- were such havens of slave labor.
According to an employee who works at Dell, incharge of oversea's production. Are you confused? I think you are. Dell has warehouse in the US that ship from those locations, because it would cost to much to ship a computer in a week from some other country. This way they take their time sending them and cheap prices, to the customer, then at a warehouse they ship them out. I am sure they still do have some production plants in the US. but wierd how India has several properties under Dell's name that are production plants for Dell computers. They install different versions of XP on them depending on the country, and then pick the keyboard/mouse in whatever country they are in and thats how they ship. All straight from a Dell employee who makes $100,000+.
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Yea, they don't have graphics cards, thanks for stating what i said. They cost extra. and thats only if you get one with an AGP slot! as their lower end systems usually dont have one!
All of Dell's desktops have AGP slots or at least free PCI slots for the rare PCI video card. They have for some time now.
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White Label is also used as an expression for cheaper hard drives, not worth a crap. Maxtor is good, they moved away with it. I never said they have never used a decent hard drive. the one thats in my sisters is a hatchi. in my words white label=[censored] hard drive.
Umm.. I don't understand. Are you saying Hitachi is crap? Because a lot of people would disagree with you since they make some of the most reliable, largest, and fastest desktop HDs in the industry.
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not true, my sisters is 60gb, and her drive is 5400 rpm. Wanna explain that one. I recently fixed a 2.4 GHz system, that had a 5400 rpm drive in it. I remember the conversation with my dad when we both saw it labeled 5400 on it.
Well, nothing they offer now is 5400RPM. And a search for any record of a 60GB Dell 5400RPM HD ever used on one of their desktops has turned up nothing. I could be wrong, but if they ever did it certainly wasn't for very long.
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According to an employee who works at Dell, incharge of oversea's production. Are you confused? I think you are. Dell has warehouse in the US that ship from those locations, because it would cost to much to ship a computer in a week from some other country. This way they take their time sending them and cheap prices, to the customer, then at a warehouse they ship them out. I am sure they still do have some production plants in the US. but wierd how India has several properties under Dell's name that are production plants for Dell computers. They install different versions of XP on them depending on the country, and then pick the keyboard/mouse in whatever country they are in and thats how they ship. All straight from a Dell employee who makes $100,000+.
I'm sorry, you seem to be the one that's confused.
I did considerable work engineering Dell logistics system when I worked for i2. I know precisely where their items are coming from, where they're assembled, and where they go, probably better than most executives at Dell do. All North American-bound PCs are built in Austin and Nashville. All their parts come from nearby warehouses; very nearby, as Dell only keeps 6 hours of inventory in a production facility at once and it must be constantly replenished. That's Dell's entire philosophy and why their logistics system is the envy of the business world; and why having Dell on my resume has gotten me some lucrative consulting work in the past.
The "weird" thing is that Dell doesn't even have a production facility in India. So much for your 'insider info'. Dell production for the Pan-Asian region is out of China and Malaysia. And yes, the PCs produced there will have multiple languages put on them because there's so many different languages spoken there. PCs produced in Austin and Nashville have software in French and Spanish on them if they're bound for Canada or Mexico. PCs produced at their Ireland facility will have dozens of possible languages used on them because they go all over Europe, Africa, and the Middle East.
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Dell doesn't usually list their hard drive speeds even. Not even when you get the computer saying the system specs. As for the dell machines. my sisters is 7 months old. not to old to not even have a agp slot. now days most mother boards are comign with 16x pci slots. something that will take years for dell to put on all their systems.
Anyone with dell on their resume can get a good job. i mean come on. Their a huge company employee thousands of people world wide in several countries. Just because you know a little doesn't know a lot. I can't agrue more about india as i don't have my friend at my side. I will ask him further details. Dell isn't what their cracked up to be. My company i work for is huge, but i know things aren't perfect, but I still defend them as a good company just like most employees do. so you defending them is natural, current or ex employee. and thats fine. but neither of us are really making any new points outside the stuff where they make the computers.
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Originally posted by auiotour:
but neither of us are really making any new points outside the stuff where they make the computers.
I agree. I was mearly looking for reasoning, which I got, as to why someone (that just so happened to be you, right now ) as to why Dell built such a terrible PC. Like I said, I have heard this for a long time and it was always the same old "Dells Suck!" and they move on. You at least was able to place an arguement to your stance. Thanks! 
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