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Dell doesn't usually list their hard drive speeds even. Not even when you get the computer saying the system specs.
Thespeeds are given right on the list of choices you can make. They always have been. Brand name is not, as it just depends on which supplier got the truck to the dock first.
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now days most mother boards are comign with 16x pci slots
What is your quanitifcation of "most"?
There wasn't even such a thing offered until June. Even now, there's only a couple of motherboards that support it and there's nothing out there that can really benefit from it yet. With the nForce4 it'll be more popular, but it's still got a long ways to go before "most" motherboards have it.
So, yes, it will be a while before Dell starts mass-producing computers on incredibly expensive motherboards that have 16X PCI-E slots on them since consumers have absolutely no need for them currently nor for the near future.
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Anyone with dell on their resume can get a good job. i mean come on. Their a huge company employee thousands of people world wide in several countries. Just because you know a little doesn't know a lot. I can't agrue more about india as i don't have my friend at my side. I will ask him further details. Dell isn't what their cracked up to be. My company i work for is huge, but i know things aren't perfect, but I still defend them as a good company just like most employees do. so you defending them is natural, current or ex employee. and thats fine. but neither of us are really making any new points outside the stuff where they make the computers.
Apparently you're confused again. I never worked for Dell. I did consulting work for them while working for a logistics firm. Big difference. I "defend" them because your claims are factually incorrect and you're attempting to lie to people either on purpose or out of ignorance of the truth, one of the two. I have no interest in the company and have never personally owned one of their computers, as I have always built my own.
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Originally posted by sigma:
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Dell doesn't usually list their hard drive speeds even. Not even when you get the computer saying the system specs.
Thespeeds are given right on the list of choices you can make. They always have been. Brand name is not, as it just depends on which supplier got the truck to the dock first.
Yep... http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=D24CIS&s=dhs
This is a screen shot from a configuration of a very base model Dim 2400. 
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Originally posted by sigma:
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Dell doesn't usually list their hard drive speeds even. Not even when you get the computer saying the system specs.
Thespeeds are given right on the list of choices you can make. They always have been. Brand name is not, as it just depends on which supplier got the truck to the dock first.
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now days most mother boards are comign with 16x pci slots
What is your quanitifcation of "most"?
There wasn't even such a thing offered until June. Even now, there's only a couple of motherboards that support it and there's nothing out there that can really benefit from it yet. With the nForce4 it'll be more popular, but it's still got a long ways to go before "most" motherboards have it.
So, yes, it will be a while before Dell starts mass-producing computers on incredibly expensive motherboards that have 16X PCI-E slots on them since consumers have absolutely no need for them currently nor for the near future.
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Anyone with dell on their resume can get a good job. i mean come on. Their a huge company employee thousands of people world wide in several countries. Just because you know a little doesn't know a lot. I can't agrue more about india as i don't have my friend at my side. I will ask him further details. Dell isn't what their cracked up to be. My company i work for is huge, but i know things aren't perfect, but I still defend them as a good company just like most employees do. so you defending them is natural, current or ex employee. and thats fine. but neither of us are really making any new points outside the stuff where they make the computers.
Apparently you're confused again. I never worked for Dell. I did consulting work for them while working for a logistics firm. Big difference. I "defend" them because your claims are factually incorrect and you're attempting to lie to people either on purpose or out of ignorance of the truth, one of the two. I have no interest in the company and have never personally owned one of their computers, as I have always built my own.
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I did considerable work engineering Dell logistics system when I worked for i2.
sorry speed reading doesn't always get you the facts. okay, so I2. My point is Dell offers old technology, they don't create inivative designs, or fuel new technology, they sell old stuff to unsuspecting buyers who say ohh $500 for a computer wow thats cheap. Yea, cheap! exactly as they thought, but not just the price, the computer and all. As for hard drive speeds, their site is much different then the systems you buy in stores, or in adds at best buy or circuit city. they dont list them and thats what i was going off. most of those systems still contain 5400 rpm drives.
Abit, "most" of their boards they sell are pci-e now, same with a lot of other companies like msi, and asus, are dropping older boards to make room for newer boards. yea agp will be around for a while. As buying a new mobo, new processor, and new graphics card is a little expensive for upgrades but new systems that include those aren't to expensive. It will take dell over 2 years to start using them on most of their systems. along their cheaper computers.
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My point is Dell offers old technology, they don't create inivative designs, or fuel new technology,
Now this I can agree with.
But it's like complaining that Wal-Mart doesn't push the boundaries of the fashion world.
Dell makes PCs for the masses. The masses don't need 16x PCI-E, 256MB 9800 Pros, or the latest multi-processor system. They just need something that surfs the net and runs MS Word. They don't market their computers as much more than they really are -- cheap and good enough for most people.
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they sell old stuff to unsuspecting buyers who say ohh $500 for a computer wow thats cheap. Yea, cheap! exactly as they thought, but not just the price, the computer and all.
You get what you pay for.
Dell doesn't mislead anyone -- that's quite different from your average salesguy at Best Buy who will tell you anything to get you to buy. If people don't become educated on their purchases that's not Dell's fault. If people think they're getting the same thing for $500 from Dell as the $2500 system from Falcon Northwest, they're going to get what's coming to them.
Do you get made at Kia for selling a $8000 Rio to people who don't know they're buying a piece of crap? If you don't know when you buy that $8000 Kia that you're not getting the speed of a $25000 Mustang or the reliability of a $40000 Lexus that's not Kia's fault.
But, as I sit here thinking about it, there's no company out there that makes PCs for the masses built from top-of-the-line components. IBM was probably the last bastion, and they left the market years ago.
Yeah, there's a few smaller companies like Alienware and Falcon Northwest that cater to hardcore gamers, but that's about it. And, yeah, there's some Mom-and-Pop's spread around here and there, but they're usually buying the Pricewatch special which is no better than what Dell is getting. And, yes, those places could make you a 'better' system -- but few people care enough to buy them, and it requires an education on the subject to know better, which puts us right back to where we started -- most people haven't a clue about the PC they're buying and really don't want to have a clue.
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Originally posted by sigma:
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My point is Dell offers old technology, they don't create inivative designs, or fuel new technology,
Now this I can agree with.
But it's like complaining that Wal-Mart doesn't push the boundaries of the fashion world.
Dell makes PCs for the masses. The masses don't need 16x PCI-E, 256MB 9800 Pros, or the latest multi-processor system. They just need something that surfs the net and runs MS Word. They don't market their computers as much more than they really are -- cheap and good enough for most people.
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they sell old stuff to unsuspecting buyers who say ohh $500 for a computer wow thats cheap. Yea, cheap! exactly as they thought, but not just the price, the computer and all.
You get what you pay for.
Dell doesn't mislead anyone -- that's quite different from your average salesguy at Best Buy who will tell you anything to get you to buy. If people don't become educated on their purchases that's not Dell's fault. If people think they're getting the same thing for $500 from Dell as the $2500 system from Falcon Northwest, they're going to get what's coming to them.
Do you get made at Kia for selling a $8000 Rio to people who don't know they're buying a piece of crap?
But, as I sit here thinking about it, there's no company out there that makes PCs for the masses built from top-of-the-line components. IBM was probably the last bastion, and they left the market years ago.
Yeah, there's a few smaller companies like Alienware and Falcon Northwest that cater to hardcore gamers, but that's about it. And, yeah, there's some Mom-and-Pop's spread around here and there, but they're usually buying the Pricewatch special which is no better than what Dell is getting. And, yes, those places could make you a 'better' system -- but few people care enough to buy them, and it requires an education on the subject to know better, which puts us right back to where we started -- most people haven't a clue about the PC they're buying and really don't want to have a clue.
agree to agree. Dell says that they build good sytems. thats misleading, they don't they build crappy budget systems, and are you get what you paid for. Unfornently with dell driving the market down, and mom and pop stores building decent computers at cheap prices, as I do. I still put quality componets at cheap prices. As with dell they don't they stick crappy pieces with crappy pieces for a cheap price. I don't prefer to build crap. Build it right the first time, and still make good money doing it like that.
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If people who bought Dells didn't like them, they wouldn't be the largest PC maker in the world with almost 20% of the total worldwide market.
That doesn't mean they don't sometimes break. But that the people who buy them must be understanding of their breaking because they come back to Dell again and again.
If people were willing to pay a little more for better stuff, we wouldn't see the little guys run out of the business.
And for businesses, Dell is far and away #1. And businesses have an incredible vested interest in their computers having the most amount of up-time. So they must be doing something right.
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Just found a survey done by PCMag for Reliability. For Desktops, Dell was ranked #2 behind Apple. For Desktops less than 1 year old, Dell was #1. 11% of Dells will need repair within the first year, 16% will need repair over their total life. With Self-Built PCs, 17% will need repair within the first year and 19% over their total life. You should be able to view the results HERE
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Originally posted by sigma:
Just found a survey done by PCMag for Reliability.
For Desktops, Dell was ranked #2 behind Apple. For Desktops less than 1 year old, Dell was #1.
11% of Dells will need repair within the first year, 16% will need repair over their total life.
With Self-Built PCs, 17% will need repair within the first year and 19% over their total life.
You should be able to view the results HERE
interesting results, people who just build their computers, without having years of expierence like dell techs do just as good almost as dell.. sad. dell and apple should be like 5% especially apple.
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Originally posted by auiotour:
Okay in reponse, i have more to add to what I said earlier. its not an uncommon practice to sell parts that didn't make the grade. Example Intel sells Pentium 4 processors. Well, they also sell Intel Celeron Processors. Which are processors that didn't make the grade so Intel relabed them Celeron Instead of Pentium 4.
Celerons are just underperforming and rebadged Pentium 4's?
Different cache, different FSB speed, different chipset. But they're the same chip?
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thats like measuring a p4 running 2ghz, a G5 2ghz and a athlon running 2gh, you can't measure them p4/celeron you can as long as you measure ones with the same stuff. not all celerons are the same. wow. If you do overal performance wise like a bench mark then that can say whats better. but saying that they have different specs yea they are different.
you forgot to 845 chip sets of p4 2.8 ghz, i have a 845 3.06 now with 800 fsb its the 3.06EE. Find a 2.4 P4 Northwood 533fsb 845 chipset and a celeron 2.4 533 845 chipset. And stick the same componets in. The celeron gets a much lower bench mark. you have to measure the same things. Yes, the 910 i believe is not avaible for p4 processors, only celeron. but for the most part the celeron is the processor that didn't make the grade.
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