Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
Then what is the point in being an American? What do we get other then [sic] [censored] tax and a system that doesn't give it back. I am mostly talking about services that we pay for that we might never use like Social Security. Why don't I just give up my American citizenship so I can become a EU member. It would make getting a job here A LOT easier and I could still come back and get a job. Yes, that is the solution, instead of dealing with the problem in a meaningful way just make the illigal activity legal.


I agree with most of that, but what does it have to do with Mexican immigration? Our entitlement programs are going to collapse in 15-20 years and you're right, we're not getting dick out of Social Security. Open the borders, though, and it would be a lot easier to tax the immigrants' pay.

There's a lot of related issues one could bring up, here: A few years ago there was a stink when a girl came here from Peru, legally, to recieve an organ transplant. Her family didn't have the money, she was going to croak, but finally some doctors agreed to do it pro bono. The kicker was that if she'd come here illegally, she would have been eligible for Medicaid but seeing as her parents went to the consulate and did it all the right way, (soup Nazi voice) no tax money for you!

Originally posted by PackRat:
You sure can tell who lives along the border and who lives a comfortable buffer zone away.


I thought this was a fair point at first, but wait: I live in Plano, IL! We've got TONS of Mexican illegals here! I haven't heard any complaints about them stealing jobs from American citizens, either...

Originally posted by Mysti-ken:
Don't dismiss a "half-assed" approach out of hand - there are a lot of countries that allow itinerant labor into the country for short periods - usually associated with a picking season, for example.


Good compromise idea, and this wasn't what I meant when I said "half-assed." I meant, "Okay, you're an illegal alien, you should be sent back, but we're going to cut you in on our government give-away programs and issue you a drivers' license anyway. Technically you could still be sent back, though..." Again, good idea on the seasonal immigration thing...

To close and to answer a few of svt4stv's points, I'll just regurgiate this: http://www.amadan.org/blog/archives/000084.html . He says it better than I ever could.

--T.J.

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