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TJ was brought into this in reference to gun legislation.

I don't have to agree with all of his beliefs. However, the 2nd Amendment, concerning arms, was the topic at the time, and as a part of our Constitution I felt it relevant. The suggestion was that TJ was a Liberal and therefore would not have approved the individual right to keep and bear arms. I demonstrated that to be false.

yes, politics were very different. IIRC, was the Republican Party not once known by the name Democrat?

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Google is your friend. It appears both the Democrats and Republicans got their name from one and the same Thomas Jefferson, who in the 1700's formed the Democratic-Republican Party to compete against the Federalist party at the time. Who knew? Lol.

In reality marriage cannot be "redifined" it can only be destroyed and rebuilt in a "new" image. If marriage is not one man & one woman then it could be any thing you want. It could be three men and two women or brother and sister. After all wouldn't these just simply be consenting adults? Our country does have history and right to protect traditional marriage. Utah was allowed into the union based on them banning polygamy. Society is built around marriage and family. Although our recent culture has gotten away from this it is still the prefered structure. Fundementally it is wrong because the Bible says it is regardless of what any of us think.
As far as seperation of Church and State. The Constitution states that government should not establish religon. That's it, not that it should ban it or keep it's influence out of law, but that the government should stay out of the way. If you would like more information on the historical tie between the United States and Christianity visit www.Americablessgod.com

Gays are not asking to be married in the eyes of God. The Constitution basicaly says there should be no endorsement of religion. Do you really think marriage between any two people by a state has anything to do with what God had in mind? The issue here isn't wanting to be married in the eyes of God, rather be married in the eyes of the state tax, etc. The reaons for seperation of church and state is because though the leaders of the nation may be of a certain religion, many of the people of nation my not. The interest of the nation may not always be the interest of God, this is because there are many different ways people see God in the US.

LOL. That was some funny stuff!

I remember some years ago going to a website that preached against masturbation.. I'm still not 100% sure if it was serious or not.

Marriage then would have no more value than any other bussiness partnership or a tax shelter. I also understand that many of the rights or privelages that many homosexuals are seeking are related to those normally associated with a spouse. These can be addressed through living wills and power-of-attorney type documentation. The tax incentives for marriage were designed to offset the costs of carring for and raising children. Granted, currently couples with no children also benifit but that was not the intent. Is the real agenda here that they simply want to pay less taxes?