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You aren't supposed to start making things after you out. You are supposed to have reserve ready. That's like deciding to build a flood wall when your standing in two feet of water, but the impact is greater.
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You aren't supposed to start making things after you out. You are supposed to have reserve ready.
Well hell. Let's just have one tank for every person in the Army then. Can't go wrong with too many of 'em!
Fact of the matter is that the military was beginning to introduce a totally different doctrine under Clinton (though not a product of him) of a smaller 'more mobile' force -- some Generals liked it, others didn't. We didn't expect that we'd ever need a super large invasionary and occupying force, we thought our allies would help us when needed. We were incorrect in making that assumption at the time we did. Hindsight is 20/20.
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Originally posted by sigma:
We didn't expect that we'd ever need a super large invasionary and occupying force, we thought our allies would help us when needed. We were incorrect in making that assumption at the time we did. Hindsight is 20/20.
I find it hard to believe the United States developed its forces based on expected allied support. If that is true, then it is a blunder of historic proportions, since it would be seemingly unprecedented in history.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by sigma:
We didn't expect that we'd ever need a super large invasionary and occupying force, we thought our allies would help us when needed. We were incorrect in making that assumption at the time we did. Hindsight is 20/20.
I find it hard to believe the United States developed its forces based on expected allied support. If that is true, then it is a blunder of historic proportions, since it would be seemingly unprecedented in history.
Peace dividend. Yeah, right... 
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by sigma:
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You aren't supposed to start making things after you out. You are supposed to have reserve ready.
Well hell. Let's just have one tank for every person in the Army then. Can't go wrong with too many of 'em!
Nice slippery slope. Although entirely off base.
You obviously have no idea the time it takes to get a project rolling in the gov't. First the RFS, then the bid time, then the design faze, then the infrastructure setup and material aquisitions. Then the personal aqusition and training, and finally they start. Private industry can get things done in a fraction of that time frame, but thanks to gov't tape it's not nearly that fast.
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I didn't know we had so many military experts in here. Thats comforting. STFU unless you know what you are talking about.
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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Originally posted by sigma:
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You aren't supposed to start making things after you out. You are supposed to have reserve ready.
Well hell. Let's just have one tank for every person in the Army then. Can't go wrong with too many of 'em!
Nice slippery slope. Although entirely off base.
You obviously have no idea the time it takes to get a project rolling in the gov't. First the RFS, then the bid time, then the design faze, then the infrastructure setup and material aquisitions. Then the personal aqusition and training, and finally they start. Private industry can get things done in a fraction of that time frame, but thanks to gov't tape it's not nearly that fast.
-Andy
Seeing that I've consulted on a number of projects regarding logistics for the DoD, DoT, and DHS I know quite well what is involved in military acquisition and deployment, thank you.
My point was supposed to be sarcasm, I thought that much was obvious. Fact is, the number of available tanks has never been a significant issue in Iraq this time around. Getting them to where they're needed at a particular time is another story.
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LOL Consultants, my favorite people to work with.
This obviously doesn't pertain to only tanks either.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by sigma:
We didn't expect that we'd ever need a super large invasionary and occupying force, we thought our allies would help us when needed. We were incorrect in making that assumption at the time we did. Hindsight is 20/20.
I find it hard to believe the United States developed its forces based on expected allied support. If that is true, then it is a blunder of historic proportions, since it would be seemingly unprecedented in history.
There were many other reasons why we did not believe we'd need an outstanding large force capable of invading and occupying a nation entirely on our own, the expectation of allied assistance if the need ever arose is only one reason.
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I'm not a full-time consultant (not even part-time really), so I'm not quite as bad as most.  I actually have a real job.
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