Originally posted by holycowSVTpaul:

My main quival with the Iraq war is that we were lead into war under false pretenses. There WAS some question whether Iraq really had any substantial WMD's. Bush discarded all dissenting opinions and followed through unilaterally on a PREMPTIVE strike. That is unprecedented. There was no international community behind us nor was there any imminent threat on National Security. Consequently, Bush has upset the "BALANCE OF POWERS" in the region and has created a power vaccume. Iraq may have been evil but it kept in check Iran. And Saudi Arabia relied on the US for protection. Now that threat is gone and we are no longer needed and ironically enough, despised.




False pretenses...yes as confirmed by Duelfer (sp?) report. But, as the report spells out, the false pretenses were generated by SADAM who, until late 2002 had even his senior cabinet & generals convinced he had WMD! So it comes as no great suprise that the 4 best intel agencies in the WORLD (CIA, Brit MI-5, Israeli Massad, former KGB) all came to the same conclusion...and that ALL world leaders believed this..Anan, Chirac, Shreoder, Putin, Clinton, Bush, and yes Kerry..to a man believed the data.

So, the lies were NOT generated by the Bush admin. And because their was widespread belief we cannot use THIS as the reason that we did not have UN support. We can argue that they really did want more time for inspecters to clarify the status of WMD. But given the past failure over 7 years of inspection (befor we were booted), numerous documented deceptions, and the VAST size of Iraq, is it reasonable to conclude continued inspections would have preduced a clear answer. Unlikely. But even if it theoretically could have..it was doomed to fail. Because the report now also spells out that the French, Russians, and senior UN officials were working WITH SADAM for the purpose of ending inspections on Sadam's terms. For the express purpose of resuming WMD.

So...check MATE. Inspections continue, Sadam adds billions more to his coffers until they end, and he goes after WMD. Inspections STOP (the more likely event)..hes building WMD. And all along Sadam had assurance of the FRENCH at least that the they would use their VETO to block UN action. All documented. This is the path Kerry said he would have chosen. He would have relied on this corrupt UN to repond to a threat that the whole world percieved. This is true outsourcing of security. He would NEVER invade...he voted in 1991 againt the coalition then when they had INVADED an OPEC ally and we had UN endorsement.

How do you reconsile these FACTS. Forget what your liberal brainwashing PROFs are telling you and think it through!

Yes, bridges are damaged with UN but who is responsible...the US?? or the French who gave Sadam their veto? The Russians who sold arms to Sadam until the INVASION? or The UN official recieving 7 million in oil vouchers? Be HONAST HERE!!

Yes, we fould no WMD. And we did not find out what happened to the equipment at the old nuclear power station that was present on satellite photos (you know the ones Powell showed) that was MISSING whe we got there (an interesting, little publised tidbit in Duelfer's report). But we DID find a massive scheme to make Sadam rich..money we KNOW he used to support terror. Money he had tried to purchace dual use equipement. We found that Sadam planned oneday to use this money to procure WMD. We found a people being starved by rotten food by UN corruption on an unprecedented scale. We found a mass grave last week with ONLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN as young as 2 with a bullet in the head. We found the Ansar Al Islam training camp and Al Queada's Abu Al Zarqawi. We found Salmon Pac traing camp and the airline fuselage used to train "somebody" up til at least late 90s...

And you mention Saudi Arabia...they are killing Al Queda for the first time. And Pakistan has turned from supporting the Taliban and is killing Al Queada "more in last 2 months that we did during 2 years" per a deputy CENTCOM commander.

You mention balance of power & Iran...we are building DEMOCRACIES on either side of it. Balance is going to shift alright...the Mullas are going to have their hands full when 100,000 young Iranians see what is happening next door.

Ignor this vote for Kerry & I submit that ALL that education has failed you.

Peace back at you.

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