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CAN YOU NAME THIS COUNTRY?

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) MILITARY PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR
WARHEADS
ON
232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES
PLUS
ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO
SUSTAIN
SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

IS THIS COUNTRY-

RUSSIA ? NO

CHINA ? NO

GREAT BRITAIN ? NO

FRANCE ? WRONG AGAIN ( What a Laugh!!!!!)

MUST BE USA ? STILL WRONG (SORT OF)IT USE TO BE

THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.

AND [their elimination] was 100% SUPPORTED BY JOHN KERRY (THESE ARE ISSUES HE DID VOTE ON)

This is not a new message, but a reminder of why we now have over-deployed our National Guard and Reserve Units.

HE SAID CHECK THE RECORD

Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts says he is the
strongest Presidential Candidate on National Defense ! He said Check the Record..

We Did !


Here is what we learned:
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to kill the B-1
He voted to kill the B-2
He voted to kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to kill the FA-18
He voted to kill the B-2
He voted to kill the F117
He voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988, including a bill for battle armor for our troops.
It is most likely, with Sen. John Kerry as President and Commander in Chief of our Armed Services, that they will cease to function making it impossible for our country to protect itself.
John Kerry voted to kill all anti-terrorism activities of each and every agency of the U.S. Government.
He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%.
He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%.
He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

THEN, and this is abhorrent to almost every American Voter be you Democrat, Republican or Independent, he voted to increase OUR funding
for U.N operations by 800% !!


Ask yourself Is THIS the person you want as President of these United States providing for the Common Defense of the Nation and be the Leader of the Free World ?

Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting records. The above is an accurate summary.

Civil debate on! Please keep it civil.


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A little RESEARCH can be a good thing.

BTW I didn't post this because I'm pro Kerry because I'm not...I'm just very much against people believing and attempting to propogate info they get from email forwards the majority of which are utter B.S.

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< Hangs head in shame. Snopes is my friend, and I forgot about my friend.

Still, it's not all inaccurate, parts of it are. And, I agree with the e-mail forwards bit.

I'll leave it hear instead of hiding my obvious idiocy on this thread.


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fact of the matter is Clinton shrank our military and Bush is blamed for it.


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Same thing with the recession. It started before he came to office, the market drop followed after he was in office for a few weeks, and it was 6 months later before he submitted his first budget, recession in full swing.

But he still gets the blame in the press. (*sigh*)


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Clinton and Bush are niether responsible for the rise or the crash of the Internet Boom. Although I would credit Greenspan and Bush for pulling us out of the recession.

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Considering how nearly useless spending more money on more new weapons and vehicles for conventional warfare is...

I just won't say anything else. I don't want anyone to look ignorant.

But let me ask you this.

How many tanks do we need to find Osama bin Laden? Because we've got thousands and we haven't found him yet. Our stealth bombers haven't helped much either.

As you can read in the snopes link, the data quoted there is HORRIBLY inaccurate.


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Originally posted by NorCalCoug:
Considering how nearly useless spending more money on more new weapons and vehicles for conventional warfare is...

I just won't say anything else. I don't want anyone to look ignorant.

But let me ask you this.

How many tanks do we need to find Osama bin Laden? Because we've got thousands and we haven't found him yet. Our stealth bombers haven't helped much either.

As you can read in the snopes link, the data quoted there is HORRIBLY inaccurate.




Let's see, how about an opinion from someone who has been there? Oh yeah, I have!

I can tell you this, when you are rolling up MSR Tampa, trying to get a convoy of 60 gasoline tankers from Southern refineries to Northern cities such as Baghdad, Tikrit, Fallujah, etc, and you are passing bridges that have been blown up by terrorists, repaired by Americans (improvised), and now guarded by Bradleys and Abrams, you are very thankful we have those tanks. But hey, who needs them to fight unconventional wars, right? Give me a break...


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Well said, Sandman.

Our forces should not be replaced for the new war, they should be supplemented. Conventional weapons will always have a place in battle, even if it is just for protection of our supply routes while our Smart Soldiers take the fight to the enemy in unconventional ways.

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Originally posted by Sandman333:
But hey, who needs them to fight unconventional wars, right? Give me a break...




And where are the stats that we are running out of tanks?


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