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I spend time on CEG daily, so I have searched and read and know the basics about RedLine MTL vs Ford Honey vs Mobil1 vs. ATF+3.
Here's the specific question I have: When it's really cold outside, and you start your car, and of course you blip the throttle, and run it through the gears with the clutch in... after all that:
Which fluid is the best to prevent crunching into 1st and 2nd gear? Stock it was poor. I tried Ford honey, it was worse. Right now I'm using RedLine MTL, which is the best when warm but still poor when cold. I have to really concentrate going into 2nd until I've driven a few miles, otherwise I get a crunch and/or gear grind. I want to try either Mobil 1 with FM or dino ATF+3. Which one do you all suggest?
Frankly I do NOT care about long term tranny longevity. I want the tranny to shift into gear as easily/smoothly as possible when cold.
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i think it is more of a time thing vs temp
my 95 mystique would grind second pretty bad in the winter, I used valvoline high milage with friction modifier, and if the car warms up some, turning the trans with the clutch out, I noticed last winter in the very cold that there was no grinding and shifting was very smooth
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Originally posted by bxd20:
I spend time on CEG daily, so I have searched and read and know the basics about RedLine MTL vs Ford Honey vs Mobil1 vs. ATF+3.
Here's the specific question I have: When it's really cold outside, and you start your car, and of course you blip the throttle, and run it through the gears with the clutch in... after all that:
Which fluid is the best to prevent crunching into 1st and 2nd gear? Stock it was poor. I tried Ford honey, it was worse. Right now I'm using RedLine MTL, which is the best when warm but still poor when cold. I have to really concentrate going into 2nd until I've driven a few miles, otherwise I get a crunch and/or gear grind. I want to try either Mobil 1 with FM or dino ATF+3. Which one do you all suggest?
Frankly I do NOT care about long term tranny longevity. I want the tranny to shift into gear as easily/smoothly as possible when cold.
Thanks
Brian
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If your having problems with your transmission, you should NEVER use a synthetic...it only makes things worse.
Try using ATF +3. if it shifts smoother, stick with it...if you have been having problems with your transmission in general, id stick with atf +3 from here on out.
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Mobil 1 with XL-7 (new FM for use w/ synthetic) seems best for cold weather. I've heard many cold problems with Redline in here and SHOForum as well. Sounds like your tranny is having some issues if it is grinding with any fluid.
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When I went to vavoline they used just the ford standard stuff and I had them put in the friction modifyer. So far with our cold weather, all I have to do is before I go do a quick shift back and forth between 1st and 2nd then back out of my driveway and I have no problems, shifts like a champ. Its been way better this year this it was last year, Sometimes It would take 5 minutes before the shifting wouldnt be so stiff.
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Okay, so I have one vote for Mobil 1 with FM and one vote for ATF+3. Todras, is the new FM you mention, XL-7, a ford part?
A typical example for me is I go to shift from 1 to 2 and it's really stiff and doesn't feel like it really locked into gear. But it won't go further so I slowly start letting out on the clutch. Some of the time it did get into gear (though the feel was poor) and everything's fine, other times I get grind and have to clutch, go to neutral, release clutch, then clutch again and try going into 2nd.
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I'm using the atf +3, and I like it. I have no idea what was in the car when I bought it (with 89k), but shortly after buying it, I replaced whatever was there with atf +3, and it made a world of improvement. I ran the car another 35k or so, and replaced the old atf +3 with new atf +3. I have no complaints, whether in cold or in hot weather.
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glad i caught this thread cause i was just going to order some redline but if its no good in the cold, im going to pass. the weather here is just starting to change. any other views on this?
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Originally posted by KingpinSVT:
glad i caught this thread cause i was just going to order some redline but if its no good in the cold, im going to pass. the weather here is just starting to change. any other views on this?
redline MTL is good.....I ahve had no problems with it in hot or cold weather (by cold i mean between 35-45 degrees...it got between thoes temps last year here where i live).I also took it to Mt. Hamilton last year after it snowed up there, with no problems, even after sitting 4 hours.
i can't remember the thread but demonSVT, informed other people that have transmission problems, that synthetic can cause more problems or hard shifts.
he said that if your having problems like that to switch to ATF 3 and use that and stick with it.if your having rough shifts with synthetic, then its a sign of something going bad.
he stressed that Synthetic should be used after break in on a rebuilt trans, or if you have no problems...and if problems show up you should switch back to ATF+3.
other than that, im not completly sure "why" it happens, but it does...I did a trial and error test on it before i rebuilt my trans.
After i rebuilt it, MTL ran fine in all temps i ahve been in.
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I think by cold weather people are refering to the Northern States or Canada where we get a winter and sub 0 temperatures. I would hardly consider 35 - 45 to be cold, but what do I know, I live in an iglo  . I was going to try the Ford honey with XL-7 for my next change. I had Redline MTL with the old XL-3??? friction modifier last winter and I had problems. Although I understand that with the new XL-7 modifier it mixes better with synthetics and the XL-3 is for dino oil. I hope we can come to a conclusive answer on this one.
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