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Ok fine flaming will be tolerated to a point but that was not what was going on tonight. People start other threads about old ones if they dont agree with the reason it was locked. Usually a thread is locked for a good reason, but Ive seen a few lately that diddn't justify locking.
Ok so mabey I have a different definition of flaming. Someone enlighten me.
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Originally posted by infuryum:
I find it funny that people feel forced to act like parents.
Some people act like such children, though, that it almost begs the necessity sometimes. The post that "brought CI down" is a good example of this. No, I will not divulge it.
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Flaming=personal attacks. Anytime someone starts calling someone names or whatever. Also there is a very very small number of people on here that will argue ANYTHING just to argue and they also start flaming. If someone doesn't agree with why a thread was locked they should PM a moderator, don't worry about it, or just leave the forums.
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Originally posted by Lance Kinley:
It's off for the rest of the evening due to the utter stupidity going on. If the rules cannot be followed, I act.
-Lance
Memo to Lance:
You said you shut down CI because of some acts of "stupidity," and because some rules were broken. But what happened? You gave us no specifics. No explanation of what was so out of the ordinary.
So, why the secrecy, Lance? What good does it do for you to shut down a forum without telling anyone exactly why you did it? All that does is ensure that whoever went over the line will not know what they did wrong. No lessons will be learned, no improvements in behavior will occur. When you shut down a forum because of the misbehavior of a few people, you only encourage an atmosphere of randomness and anarchy.
As you know, a lot of the forum rules are broken regularly. Enforcement of the rules on CEG is lax and inconsistent. As a result, many members do not know exactly what is forbidden and what is not. Every time someone misbehaves and gets away with it, the rules get a little fuzzier. Some members may naturally decide that anything goes.
If the level of civility on CEG is going downhill, don't blame it on new teenage members, or the beginning of a new school year. Many long-term members behave worse than newbies, and many of them misbehave year 'round. If you are bothered by the behavior in CI, Lance, just take a look at the way this site is managed.
Lance, a few suggestions:
1. Post guidelines for the moderators, clearly explaining what each rule means, with procedures for determining when a rule has been broken. Ask members with experience in business, law or government to write an easy-to-follow guideline for each rule.
2. Post clear guidelines showing exactly what the consequences will be for rulebreakers. Maybe it would help to have escalating consequences, with a one-day ban for the first violation, a month-long ban for the second violation, and a six-month ban for a third violation. Post a list of banned members for everyone to see, with a written explanation of how they broke a rule.
3. Set up a review panel of experienced member that will review each moderator's disciplinary actions. Since each violation can have serious consequences, it is only fair to have a review panel approve each disciplinary action before it becomes effective. The disciplined member should have the opportunity to explain himself. In some cases, a member should be given a chance to apologize in order to avoid disciplinary action.
I know this is your house, Lance, and you are free to run it any way you want. Just trying to be helpful.
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I'm thinking it was that idiotic post that was nothing but like 25 people quoting nothing. I left a few hours ago to do some work and that was the worst thing I saw on there. But, who knows? Around here lately threads can go downhill faster than a 'Tour goes 0-60.
P.S. Make me a mod, my first act would be to ban everyone including myself for 3 days. 
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Originally posted by caltour:
1. Post guidelines for the moderators, clearly explaining what each rule means, with procedures for determining when a rule has been broken. Ask members with experience in business, law or government to write an easy-to-follow guideline for each rule.
This has already been addressed to a certain extent. Obviously the rules are there for everyone to read, but if a moderator is unsure how to handle a situation there is a place where we can ask for advice. I personally have used this resource in the past to decide how to respond to problems threads/users.
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Originally posted by hetfield:
Some people act like such children, though, that it almost begs the necessity sometimes. The post that "brought CI down" is a good example of this. No, I will not divulge it.
Your post is pretty useless then, isn't it? 
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Originally posted by infuryum:
Originally posted by hetfield:
Some people act like such children, though, that it almost begs the necessity sometimes. The post that "brought CI down" is a good example of this. No, I will not divulge it.
Your post is pretty useless then, isn't it?
It's not up to me.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Flaming=personal attacks. Anytime someone starts calling someone names or whatever. Also there is a very very small number of people on here that will argue ANYTHING just to argue and they also start flaming. If someone doesn't agree with why a thread was locked they should PM a moderator, don't worry about it, or just leave the forums.
Ok. Thanks. But a personal attack can be just about anything. Name calling I can understand. That can be avoided with bigger words.
If someone was arguing in a thread that was locked for a stupid reason then they would be inclined to pick the discission elsewhere.
I think that the mods dont like confronting people. They should first PM the offender and warn them that they will lock the thread if this beheavior continues. Locking the thread is just an easy way out of a confrontation.
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If anyone remembers, it was this EXACT same issue which had me upset two autumns ago. The disbandment of a forum with NO clear reason why. No matter how hard I tried, NO ONE would tell me WHY the Off-Topic forum was gone. They, in addition to the owner, simply took the stance of "don't ask and leave it alone."
ESPECIALLY if you want people to donate to the site (which I have yet to do, so I don't have a lot of room to talk, anyway), this isn't a good way to get them to do so.
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