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Originally posted by bishop375:
Here's the point. Kerry's record speaks for itself. You want us to follow only his "current" record, right? Well, how about how many votes he's missed in the Senate thanks to his campaign?
funny how you broke off the discussion on your previous one liner.
anyways...i doubt very highly we're worse off here at home, iraq, or afghanistan due to kerry missing a couple senate votes due to campaigning. it's expected.
and my comments about comparing 'current' records were in response to getting some of you guys who complain about kerry's far left voting record to provide some specific substance rather than scare tactic generalization propaganda.
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Originally posted by BP:
anyways...i doubt very highly we're worse off here at home, iraq, or afghanistan due to kerry missing a couple senate votes due to campaigning. it's expected.
That's good spin, but far from the point. He missed how many intelligence committee meetings after the first WTC bombings? He proposed how many billions of dollars in cuts after those bombings? $7 billion? And you're right, Kerry is an insignificant Senator, but that would be moot if he didn't claim to be tough on terror and smart on intelligence. If he really was, he wouldn't have proposed enormous cuts to intelligence after the '93 WTC bombings and he would have showed up to intelligence briefings once in a while.
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Originally posted by BP:
due to kerry missing a couple senate votes
What was the last number, 81%?
That's far more than a "couple."
And, yes, he's an insignificant senator... the EXACT reason he should not be elected- he'll be an insignificant leader.
He knows full well he only wants to be in the White House to further his own ego, NOT to make the country (and the world as a whole) a better place.
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And, yes, he's an insignificant senator... the EXACT reason he should not be elected- he'll be an insignificant leader.
By that regards you definitely shouldn't have considered Bush.
He was about the most insignificant Governor Texas has ever had in a state where the Governor has less significance than a County Sherrif, literally. The Governor of Texas is only a figurehead virtually no power to speak of -- you don't get much more 'insignificant' than that.
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He knows full well he only wants to be in the White House to further his own ego, NOT to make the country (and the world as a whole) a better place.
Oh pfft. No matter how true it may be, the same thing applies to virtually every politician with rare exception -- and Bush ain't one of 'em IMHO.
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Originally posted by BP:
1) so now it seems when bush loses it's going to be blamed on how poorly he performed in the debates. 
2) it's not as cut and dry as it may seem to disect a voting record without looking at all the other variables influencing the votes, it's virtually impossible to have a view into everything happening in the background.
3) i'd rather hold him to his current platform, as long as he doesn't say 'no new taxes' i think he'll be alright. 
1) Yes, Bush's failing is as a commmunicator not a leader..
2) True, but with Kerry it is not any single vote but a pattern. Plain and simple the most left leaning overall record in the Senate by non-partisan analysis. Is this out of context...perhaps. Example you wanted? Explain his vote on Gulf War I? Sadam had invaded a neighbor. He had been actively using WMD. He threatened the OPEC oil reserves we rely on. We built a coalition. It had UN support. Kerry votes NO GO. Out of context?? Other variables??? OK, foreward to 1994, soon after WTC-1. Kerry personally proposes such sweeping cuts to intell..7 billion worth IIRC, that it recieved NO support. Not even from fellow uber-lib Ted Kennnedy. Context? Were we TOO INTELLIGENT? How about the 87 billion...this was not a "misspeak" as Kerry said in the debate. It was a vote. Yes or NO to supply equipement to the troups (about 2/3 of the money). Kerry says he wanted to link the spending to tax hikes. OK, fine...but his proposal was shot down in congress, and was not the bill being voted on. To vote NO does not mean that we say OK lets do it Kerrys way and raise taxes too. It would have ment NO BODY ARMOUR, NO AMM, NO WHATEVER for the number of months needed to start over again agin in Congress to get some new legislation through. Kerry knew this, he voted as he did for spite. Context? The context is he did it because he is a spitefull ASS!
20 YEARS is a long time to be weak on defense and try and blame on proper context. At some point, a pattern is clear.
3) So NO...I think it is much more LIKELY his current hawkish platform is FRAUDULENT that his PRIOR PATTERN is the true Kerry, and I simply do not believe his current stance no matter how eliquently he delivers it. I think he remains the antiwar activist he was 30 years ago, talking with the VietCong in Paris. At the DNC convention, I believe he shoulf have said "I protested against my country as a young man, and as President I will protest agains her today!"
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
So NO...I think it is much more LIKELY his current hawkish platform is FRAUDULENT that his PRIOR PATTERN is the true Kerry, and I simply do not believe his current stance no matter how eliquently he delivers it. I think he remains the antiwar activist he was 30 years ago, talking with the VietCong in Paris. At the DNC convention, I believe he shoulf have said "I protested against my country as a young man, and as President I will protest agains her today!"
lol. this is bush's only chance at winning. he has to convince his herd that john kerry is just lying to get elected [saying stuff like no new taxes] and doesn't really care about putting this country in a better position. it's a tough job to clean up the mess bush has made but i believe kerry can do a better job than bush has.
personally i don't agree with your pov and i think it's silly but i understand your concerns. it's just that my disatisfaction with bush's performance is more overwhelming than my concerns over kerry's voting record.
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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
So NO...I think it is much more LIKELY his current hawkish platform is FRAUDULENT that his PRIOR PATTERN is the true Kerry, and I simply do not believe his current stance no matter how eliquently he delivers it. I think he remains the antiwar activist he was 30 years ago, talking with the VietCong in Paris. At the DNC convention, I believe he shoulf have said "I protested against my country as a young man, and as President I will protest agains her today!"
he has to convince his herd that john kerry is just lying to get elected
This shows that you just don't even pay attention, bub. It's Kerry's campaign and his surrogates who go around EVERY DAY accusing Bush of lying, not the other way around. Of course they do this because they have no plan for America, Iraq or anywhere else other than raising taxes on everyone
(except they don't want to close ANY loopholes that they use to avoid paying their taxes).
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He was about the most insignificant Governor Texas has ever had in a state where the Governor has less significance than a County Sherrif, literally. The Governor of Texas is only a figurehead virtually no power to speak of -- you don't get much more 'insignificant' than that.
Dang man, what Texas do you live in? That's surely not the Texas I remember...
Do you remember the TYC changes that Bush implemented? Ya know, the entire make the punishment fit the crime deal, even for kids. It definately helped drop the repeat offenders (I have plenty of friends who went thru TYC after the changes, and they said its NOT fun like it used to be.)
What about the tort reforms? He implemented more tort reform in a quarter than any other state in like 10 or 20 years, dropping bogus lawsuits in Texas by 1/4 or more.
How about the Texas Miracle? Test scores in the state soaring for schools.
But then again, he had no power in Texas. 
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