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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by mole1980:
Why would I say it never happened, does not surprise me he said it. He's in a presidential campaign of course he is going to throw a few shots at the opponent.
Uh, he's insulting the people voting for Bush, not Bush.
Does it matter, he did not lose any votes it just fired up his base.
Although I would like to hear the audio, to see what Drudge took out of context.
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I like how you edited your admission to being Jared out. You can create another AIM name for me to block, if you'd like. Like you said, email addresses are free.
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Originally posted by Davo:
I like how you edited your admission to being Jared out. You can create another AIM name for me to block, if you'd like. Like you said, email addresses are free.
Its funny you blocked me as soon I threw the facts in your face.
For example Stem Cell research, what did you say? "Its something Hitler would do"
Oh and americans who don't have health care? Oh your response was "They choose not to afford it."
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Come on Davo, you're better than this. Just leave it alone.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Come on Davo, you're better than this. Just leave it alone.
Done...
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Originally posted by Davo:
So what can we use to judge him?
EDIT: Using BP's logic, Iraq, the economy, and pretty much everything else that has happened in the last 3.5 years can't be used against Bush. You speak as if his actions are "the end all be all of the current". 
lol @ yu0. show me where i said his past can't be used to judge his current standings. ooops, you can't...cause that's not what i said. all that was stated is that it's not the end all be all cut and dry judgement some of you would like it to be.
the same with bush, what if i came out and said bush made the mistakes and miscalculations he has because he's a coke-head drunkard who is the weakest link in his own admin. even though it might be partially true based on his past, it's not cut and dry and relevant to the current.
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Originally posted by BP:
so now it seems when bush loses it's going to be blamed on how poorly he performed in the debates.
In a word, yes.
Originally posted by BP:
true the debates will count for something, but imo they'll only function to solidify peoples belief that kerry can do a better job than bush. if bush can't handle himself in a pre-scripted debate then how can we expect him to properly run our country which is a much more difficult task? mistakes will be made no doubt, but would someone else have done a better job, that's the question...we're about to find out in a couple months. 
Again, the debates seem to be the "litmus test" for a large portion of the undecided. In the sort-term, it never matters how well thought-out your ideas are, so long as you can present them FAR better than your opponent.
This is nothing but good news for Kerry.
Originally posted by BP:
and funny how you guys continuously talk about kerry's past voting record like his past is the end all be all of the current.
For me, it is. His voting record absolutely sucks as far as I'm concerned. He's a screaming lefty on just about every issue around.
Originally posted by BP:
just like bush's past dui and cocaine usage have nothing to do with his current lifestyle right?
??? You're losing me here. Since when does personal choices that have since been rectified parallel another person's voting record that hasn't been apologized for?
Are you suggesting that Kerry owes the American people an apology for being liberal? 
Originally posted by BP:
it's not as cut and dry as it may seem to disect a voting record without looking at all the other variables influencing the votes, it's virtually impossible to have a view into everything happening in the background. i'd rather hold him to his current platform, as long as he doesn't say 'no new taxes' i think he'll be alright. 
Oh, c'MON! Kerry isn't a liberal because he's being FORCED to be one! His voting record speaks for itself! You're certifiable if you think even half the votes he has taken part in have "coerced" him into voting a few clicks left of left.
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anyway i guess i'll check out tonight's bash fest between dick and john for some political entertainment. 
Same here. Cheney better come off the leash and eat Edwards up if the GOP has got a hope in November.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
Originally posted by BP:
just like bush's past dui and cocaine usage have nothing to do with his current lifestyle right?
??? You're losing me here. Since when does personal choices that have since been rectified parallel another person's voting record that hasn't been apologized for?
lol. but it's ok to talk about personal life when clinton's the topic of discussion....
i look at it like this...they've both made bad decisions in the past (personal life issues do affect the professional...do they not?) kerry may have made some bad decisions in his voting record and bush may have snorted/drank and took too much vacation time.
as far as apologies....i don't expect either one of them to apologize for the mistakes and miscalculations they've made made. but i do think you bush supporters are putting a lot more weight on kerry's senate record than it's worth.
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Originally posted by BP:
lol @ yu0. show me where i said his past can't be used to judge his current standings. ooops, you can't...cause that's not what i said. all that was stated is that it's not the end all be all cut and dry judgement some of you would like it to be.
Then what is it?
I can understand, a few votes "without the rest of the story" may misrepresent, but 20 years of extreme liberal votes indicates an an extremely liberal person. I don't understand why the left cries foul when we point that out.
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Originally posted by BP:
lol. but it's ok to talk about personal life
when clinton's the topic of discussion....
I figured the last person a liberal would bring up in this discussion would be Clinton. We can first assume that the liberals were right and our only beef with Clinton was that he got head in the Oval office with a 21 year-old intern, and that the fact that he lied under oath was just moot. There's a big difference between doing something when you're in college or long before you're an officer of the people, and doing it in your 6th year in office.
The spin put on the Clinton story was of historic proportions, and I would laugh at you if you believed it.
But I digress. If you're equating boozing and drugging in the 60s and 70s with a 20-year public voting record, then I don't think this discussion can carry on intelligently.
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