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Did I just read that? Diplomatic? If you haven't noticed terrorism is borderline barbaric. Decapitation? (sp?) You think you can have diplomatic discussion with UBL? al Zaqwari (sp?) Bush is dead set on war? Hello, they declared a JIHAD (Holy War) against us!!!! They ATTACKED us!!! Do you not remember? We ignored them for 8+ years, we turned a blind eye. You remember the pain of getting kicked in the nuts? Well, it seems like quite a few of you people have forgotten that sting and want reminded of that pain. Terrorists don't want to continue to kill? Do we tell them, "Please kidnap the ones who have no weapons or training to defend themselves"? Do we tell them to cut their heads off? NO!!! If they wanted diplomatic relationships then they would have contacted the Embassies etc. I can not believe I just read that..... Originally posted by BP:
at the same time they could also vote for kerry because he might be more apt to work towards a genuine diplomatic solution to the problems which inspire terrorism. whereas bush is dead set on solving issues with war.
personally i don't believe that terrorists want to continue to kill. but in their mislead minds they feel that it's their only means of fighting their battle and having their voice heard. and i'm by no means rationalizing or sympathizing with their brutal actions.
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Man I want that! How much did the DVD's set you back?
The DVDs were $41.98 or something like that at Wal-Mart. The game was $50. I just finished 'A New Hope', and the quality of it was incredible. These movies look like they were made last year.
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personally i don't believe that terrorists want to continue to kill.
I am not trying to start anything here, BP, I seriously want a good discussion on this, simply because I do not feel the same way, and I want to know your rationale.
I, myself, believe that the terrorists DO want to continue to kill, that they see Western culture as a cancer, and they must, as their God-given right, destroy it.
They have declared a Jihad upon us, which Google defines as: Arabic for "Holy war", that is, a war based on the clash of ideologies.
I am interested to see your reasoning behind this, as I simply cannot see a diplomatic solution. Should we bomb the crap out of Israel, give the Palestinians the land, and leave the Middle East forever? Will this pacify them? This is not a solution to me...
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Originally posted by BP:
at the same time they could also vote for kerry because he might be more apt to work towards a genuine diplomatic solution to the problems which inspire terrorism. whereas bush is dead set on solving issues with war. just a different take on it...
Have you not realized that the only way to deal with terrorism is to kill terrorists? What makes you think we can sign peace treaties with them? And the "blame America" rhetoric above won't get us anywhere either.
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personally i don't believe that terrorists want to continue to kill. but in their mislead minds they feel that it's their only means of fighting their battle and having their voice heard. and i'm by no means rationalizing or sympathizing with their brutal actions.
Typical liberalism. Their "minds are mislead" and if we were to correct them, they wouldn't want to kill us, and everything would be okay. I truly hope you aren't being sincere here. I'm not surprised, but this is still incredibly ridiculous.
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I can usually play the middle ground pretty well, but damn BP, your comments are a bit.... optimistic.
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I can't play middle ground at all, and I think his comments are completely ridiculous and without any consideration for the real world.
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Originally posted by BP:
...personally i don't believe that terrorists want to continue to kill. but in their mislead minds they feel that it's their only means of fighting their battle and having their voice heard. and i'm by no means rationalizing or sympathizing with their brutal actions.
This is an absolute show-stopper for me in this discussion.
Islamic radicals of just about every flavor I can think of have put killing as their top tool of "negociation". Most of these groups have one identifiable goal in mind: the fall of Western civilization, be it religious or secular. Some groups differ in the way they see themselves being led (return to the old Caliphate, anarchy, regional immams/clerics), but MAKE NO MISTAKE that they wish for nothing more than continued killing, as they feel it brings them closer to their goals.
I would seriously reccommend reading up on Bin Laden, if nothing else, as he's framed as the popular poster-child of modern-day terrorism.
Don't think for a minute that these radical nutjobs wish for NOTHING less but total misery upon the West.
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
I, myself, believe that the terrorists DO want to continue to kill, that they see Western culture as a cancer, and they must, as their God-given right, destroy it.
I am interested to see your reasoning behind this, as I simply cannot see a diplomatic solution. Should we bomb the crap out of Israel, give the Palestinians the land, and leave the Middle East forever? Will this pacify them? This is not a solution to me...
i worded that very badly. basically i'm saying that i don't believe people want to become terrorists. i think think their brainwashed into believing someone elses ideals because of what they've experienced.
what have we been doing to nurture their hate towards western society? what can we do to change that? why do they think we're a cancer? i don't know how the answers to all the questions. don't patronize yourself by insinuating diplomacy = pacification.
maybe i am an idealist, crazy, and unrealistic (probably so according to the ceg masses) but i don't believe a whole religion of people want to be terrorists and i don't believe we can kill all the terrorists. maybe there is no answer to the questions and we're just meant to kill each other off.
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Your right, but wrong as well.... Alot of them are a product of the world. We can't save the world. We can help it here and there and save it. Your right, alot of the product of terrorism is the fact that you had a small amount of radical Islamist, and rich radical Islamist who funded the Muslim school system, and radical clerics took advantage of the younger minds they had. Manipulated them to a radical sect of Islam and that every Western is an Infedl. No one every said it was/is the whole religon, its a small RADICAL sect of the religon. Your wrong to think we are at fault for this. We bend over backwards for the middle east / world, and pump billions, upon billions of dollars into their countries. You guys can not think like Westerns. WE have a completely different mindset than the Middle East, Africa, etc. Originally posted by BP:
i worded that very badly. basically i'm saying that i don't believe people want to become terrorists. i think think their brainwashed into believing someone elses ideals because of what they've experienced.
what have we been doing to nurture their hate towards western society? what can we do to change that? why do they think we're a cancer? i don't know how the answers to all the questions. don't patronize yourself by insinuating diplomacy = pacification.
maybe i am an idealist, crazy, and unrealistic (probably so according to the ceg masses) but i don't believe a whole religion of people want to be terrorists and i don't believe we can kill all the terrorists. maybe there is no answer to the questions and we're just meant to kill each other off.
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Originally posted by Stazi:
... I remember not to long ago when you were getting all bent out of shape, and threatened me in the manner of something like: "you wouldn't say that to my face, blah, blah, blah".
i've never threatened anyone. you were making condescending and disrespectful comments towards me and my response was that you can say that stuff over the net, but in person you wouldn't. ...unless you were intentionally trying to provoke a physical confrontation, which in my experience no one has intentionally done in person. 
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Trust me, at almost 30, I'm quite grown up...
really? 
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But all too many Americans can do is complain...
very true, but it's the american way.
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