Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums Modifications Duratec Performance Turbo info?

Don't listen to BnyBen! He's a loser with a ****ty '95 tour!

Oh, wait he's my brother, that's right, that's what I meant to say.
Ben, use the search feature, you'll find all the info you need. A gentleman named Chris Hightower is involved in this and is kindly putting his tour up very soon for development to the company making the turbo.

i am soriting out all the shops to get the parts right now, i still need to find a place to do new rods and pistons, i would also like to get high lift cams (if possible)

with the turbo itself, i will list the parts and process i will be using.

garret t-4 or t-3 (depending upon availability)
msd igniotion retard system
stand alone fuel managment computer (i will be having ford techs help me calibrate it)
inline fuel pump and i will be trying to find 24LB injectors to put in


through this whole process i have a dedicated shop, and svt registered ford techs helping me
i will be locating the turbo underneath the engine right by the exhaust manifolds, with custom piping all the way around, i will either be having water cooled (tricky) or more reliable liquid to air intercooler, the air filter will be located in the bumper right by the washer fluid resevoir i have decided to forgo the nitrous prespool purely cause it will be way too difficult too tune, i may save that for the future, maybe not, i do want to have a nitrous system running for emergencys though (ahh no im losing a race!)

to protect the turbo and whatnot i will have a skid pan underneath it and i will be thermal wrapping pretty much everthing underneath the car, along with all this stuff i will be replacing the plugs, cleaning the fuel system thouroghly and polishing the heads for better air delivery

questions are welcome.

Kris

can terry custom build me rods and pistons? that would be really cool, i may also have to get a bulldog box

The only thing I wan't to know about these turbo set ups how are ya'll doing the plumbing I have yet to find a place I can run suitable pipe without seriously compramising ground clearence.

also only experience I have with turbo charged cars is the familys powerstroke and its been minor modification.

I am still wondering if you have actually done any calculations to size parts and get some sort of estimate of what size turbo you need (not what you can get) how much fuel, how large of an intercooler. Do you have any idea what your temps will be like, on intake, exhaust, etc. ? Or are you just picking parts from other cars that "sound about right"?
Have you thought about what the excessive heat next to the tranny and oil pan may do to the tranny fluid? the engine oil? what about heat into the floor pan? fuel lines? simply assuming some thermal wrap will solve all your problems is niave at best. Have these "SVT registered Ford techs" ever fabricated a turbo system for a non-turbo car before?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage you. I am just trying to make sure you don't just throw something together that doesn't work right, or takes forever to get working, cuz then you will be all pissed about it, etc. and spend way too much money buying parts twice or three times.

I am wondering....I thought my SHO engine was a tight fit in a Taurus.....then I saw the duratech in the tour..where is all this going to fit in there????

From the sounds of it you are going to sit the Turbo real low, huh?
Well there in it's self is an inherent problem. Gravity feed - you need to have the Turbo higher than the oil pan in order for the oil in the turbo's bearings drain back properly to the oil pan, and not just sit in the bearing and coke up. Otherwise you have to make a mini-sump with an oil pump to return the oil to the oil pan.


What do you mean by water cooled? I don't think you know the difference between water cooled (does that exist) and liquid to air intercooling. I on the other hand have developed a working water injection susytem for a supercharged Contour SVT, that has shown as much as 20hp at the wheel improvement.


Yeah right, they can't even work out CEL's in most cases, and you want them to tune an aftermarket ECU! :rolleyes:

Once again, I stand by my previous comments that you have no idea what you are doing, or what you are talking about.

The sheer fact that you want to use a T-4 sends up the flag to me, I'd like to see your thermo calcs and flow calcs showing you that you will have enough time to spool that turbo before the peak torque zone. That turbo is competition only, and will only be useful at upper rpms, basically making you car a dog at anything under 4000rpms.

Kris, do you self a favour and just put your money in a good bank account, earn some interest, learn to drive properly, and then when Chris gets a PROPERLY DEVELOPED turbo kit out there, go and buy it.

Even though I may sound like a jerk, I would hate to see you waste your money on a hodge-podge turbo kit.

And another thing, there is not enough room to put the turbo by the manifolds: the rear bulkhead is in the way (turbo would over heat) and the rad is in the way in the front.... this has been thought out so well I see.( yes I am in a pi$$y mood and taking it out on any one I choose)

Kris,
try readin this so you understand something about turbo's. It's a little complex, but it WAS my Thesis on Turbocharging a Diesel Engine.
Performance of a Turbocharged Diesel Engine
And if you say something about it being different because it is a Diesel, then you have problems.

Well said, Anastazi.

Kris, it sounds like you are headed for a massive headache, and your car and your wallet are going to feel it as well. I emplore you to hang on a little while until after we get a real kit in the works. The turbo will be better than pretty much anything you can buy out there, and will be engineered specifically for the Duratec. Believe me, I understand being anxious to get a power adder on your Contour. I have been chomping at the bit for years. One of the reasons I am getting this done it to help other Contour owners have another choice besides the Vortech or NOS.

Let the manufacturer and I worry about how to get it to work. These people have been doing this for years, and they actually manufacture the turbocharger unit in-house, which leads me to believe they know what the hell they are doing. Don't take your car to someone, hand them some parts and a wad of cash, and say, "put this turbo on my car." You're going to end up with an engine bay full of mangled parts, and a street full of oil.

Just trying to give you my point on the subject.