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Bone simple response to all of this: If you like it, buy it, if not, dont. Now to elaborate. This car will be quite fast. This we know. The Saturn is starting at a disadvantage because of the packaging (the goofy dash, et al). The Cobalt SS has good power, and should handle decently enough. There might be some aftermarket goodies available too, because it will be worth tuning. If the seats aren't as crappy as they look, it should be workable. Add int he fact that it's the lower model Chevy and it should depreciate "like a rock"......As I keep saying, depreciation is our friend. 
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Originally posted by FreeShyne:
Heeeey, we have a freakin' winner...Do any of you other guys know the definition of overanalyzation ?
Perhaps when you relax your sphincter muscle enough to pull the corn cob out you'll understand that there is a significant difference between power and performance, and a clarification of the two for someone who uses the terms interchangeably doesn't even begin to approach 'overanalyzation'.
As a stark illustration, a Lotus Elise with the Toyota/Yamaha 4-banger has excellent performance with not much power. An H2 has almost double the power but horrid performance.
Feel free to overreact childishly.
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Before that: '95 Champ/Blue Contour GL V6 ATX
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Oh for god sake, stop it. Take your slapping fight into PMs for god sake... 
Back to topic on hand...
If the cobalt ends up as good as I'm oping it will, and GM musters up the balls to offer dealer installed packages like on the SRT4, I'll be all over it like a monkey on all it's siblings.
It looks good, say what you will but despite getting long in the tooth, the Cavalier was a pretty decent looking car until it's last refreshing, and even then it wasn't too horrid. I like the tail end minus the wing, which I would replace anyways, and I'm assuming the price could very well undercut the SRT4 and the now toast FSVT. The Focus ST is a joke in this category. I'm still hung up on the mazda 3 though, it's extremely good looking to me, and is a 5 door hatch, which turns my crank as well. I want to see a Mazdaspeed 3 for comparisson to the Cobalt SS. It will be a few years before my next car, by then Dodge may have stepped up the power on the SRT4  Things are getting interesting.
I'm just wondering how long it will take for someone to make that blower work on the 170hp 2.4L... he he he...
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It starts at $22k, doesn't sound like it'll under cut the srt4. It may give the srt4 some good competition. That'll be good. And it should also handle good. But, the srt4 is a 2.4L and the engine has been built up very well. I'm not sure what GM has done to the ecotec, but I'm gonna guess it's less than what dodge did with the srt4. Srt4 also has a big aftermarket already and proven reliability, though I guess the cobalt ss could be a good alternative for those wanting to be different, even if it costs them a little more and they get a little less.
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Originally posted by Blk560:
Originally posted by FreeShyne:
Heeeey, we have a freakin' winner...Do any of you other guys know the definition of overanalyzation ?
Perhaps when you relax your sphincter muscle enough to pull the corn cob out you'll understand that there is a significant difference between power and performance, and a clarification of the two for someone who uses the terms interchangeably doesn't even begin to approach 'overanalyzation'.
As a stark illustration, a Lotus Elise with the Toyota/Yamaha 4-banger has excellent performance with not much power. An H2 has almost double the power but horrid performance.
Feel free to overreact childishly.
I won't take the time, I have things to do. But, who are you again? Using the terms "power" and "performance" interchangably may not be technically correct, but taking the time to create an arguement out of it surely defines overanalyzation, and I won't waste my time with you anymore. Get back to the thread, whatever it was...
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
It starts at $22k, doesn't sound like it'll under cut the srt4. It may give the srt4 some good competition. That'll be good. And it should also handle good. But, the srt4 is a 2.4L and the engine has been built up very well. I'm not sure what GM has done to the ecotec, but I'm gonna guess it's less than what dodge did with the srt4. Srt4 also has a big aftermarket already and proven reliability, though I guess the cobalt ss could be a good alternative for those wanting to be different, even if it costs them a little more and they get a little less.
The ecotec has been proving already, its a very reliable engine, and can handle ALOT of hp on the stock internals
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Originally posted by FreeShyne:
I won't take the time, I have things to do. But, who are you again? Using the terms "power" and "performance" interchangably may not be technically correct, but taking the time to create an arguement out of it surely defines overanalyzation, and I won't waste my time with you anymore. Get back to the thread, whatever it was...
Look buddy, you first post on this subject:
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Also, the GTP is supercharged, but really not any more powerful than my SVT when stock
is obviously wrong. A GTP IS more powerful than an SVTC, blk560 was politely pointing out that perhaps you really meant, or were inferring, the following
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Also, the GTP is supercharged, but does not really offer any more performance than my SVT when stock
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From your latest post you evidently feel that power is synonymous with performance--an opinion that you are obviously entitled to but is far from accurate and completely untenable. Your comparison was totally wrong, yet someone else is the bad guy for pointing it out. Go you!
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
It starts at $22k, doesn't sound like it'll under cut the srt4. It may give the srt4 some good competition. That'll be good. And it should also handle good. But, the srt4 is a 2.4L and the engine has been built up very well. I'm not sure what GM has done to the ecotec, but I'm gonna guess it's less than what dodge did with the srt4. Srt4 also has a big aftermarket already and proven reliability, though I guess the cobalt ss could be a good alternative for those wanting to be different, even if it costs them a little more and they get a little less.
I thinking in terms of when it's actually time to pony up the cash, SRT-4s here are still selling at high prices because we don't get as many as most places thanks to our population. Fortunately, the GM dealerships here are selling cars for peanuts just to get them on the road. I'm hoping the trend holds for the Cobalt as well
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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Originally posted by SpliceVW:
Originally posted by svt4stv:
Spongebob airfreshener
Did no one else catch this?
I had to read that about 5 times myself.. Sounds like a ricer if he considers that one of his mods!
Mark
its called a joke. just cuz y'all be frum Indiana doesn't mean you have to act like it.
i suppose you would consider my "club steering wheel lock" a ricer mod too?? 
i think its funny that people have to list all of their modifications under their name, so i added my own funny mods.
Originally posted by Tourgasm:
Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
Originally posted by FreeShyne:
I won't take the time, I have things to do. But, who are you again? Using the terms "power" and "performance" interchangably may not be technically correct, but taking the time to create an arguement out of it surely defines overanalyzation, and I won't waste my time with you anymore. Get back to the thread, whatever it was...
Look buddy, you first post on this subject:
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Also, the GTP is supercharged, but really not any more powerful than my SVT when stock
is obviously wrong. A GTP IS more powerful than an SVTC, blk560 was politely pointing out that perhaps you really meant, or were inferring, the following
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Also, the GTP is supercharged, but does not really offer any more performance than my SVT when stock
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From your latest post you evidently feel that power is synonymous with performance--an opinion that you are obviously entitled to but is far from accurate and completely untenable. Your comparison was totally wrong, yet someone else is the bad guy for pointing it out. Go you!
Thanks for explaining that again, buddy...Does anybody else still care? Or just you two?
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