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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by Pete D:
I could see them using that as the base engine, they should (IMO) offer the new "high feature) 3.6l DOHC 6 as the optional engine, 245/232.
Is there even an MTX with the G6?
NO MTX option. 4spd ATX only
I heard the GTP version of the G6 will have an MTX. But be prepared to pay close to 30K.
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Someone mentioned above Ford is having problems with the Focus... And Ford took that and "refreshed" the exterior of our current Focus, but for Europe, they got a totally redesigned Focus...Look at the Ranger the UK gets...
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Originally posted by 00ContourSE:
American car companies don't have the attitude that they need to compete.
One thing that I continually find myself saying about my VW is that "they really thought of everything when they built it". Do I need a visor so that the glare from the interior lights is blocked from the rearview mirror? Or a button that allows me to turn off the illumination for the volume/cruise controls on my steering wheel? Probably not. However, some engineer at veedub sat down and thought that it might be nice for the driver to have that option. What's more (and probably most important) is that the bean counters gave the engineer the freedom to build these things into the car. The problem with FoMoCo and GM (save Cadillac--thank god) is that they build non-offensive generic looking cars that don't offend their owners, run for 60,000 miles trouble free, which is just long enough for the average driver to get the 7 year itch and trade it in for another. For sure, there are naysayers that will toss in the argument that they can buy a 4 door cavvy or focus 6k less than, say, a Jetta, so why should they spend the extra. For those people, maybe that's ok. They don't think that Ford and Chev are out there to move units. "Oh, but the Focus has a 5 star gov't crash rating!!!" Yeah...so does the Freestar. The rest just meet or barely exceed the bare minimum gov't safety standards. Why? Ford can't put asses in Foci or Freestars without those government numbers. As long as its small car and people mover do well, their trucks and SUV can do as poorly as they want, and people will still buy both. The hellbent soccer moms who don't want an SUV will buy the freestar because it's big and cushy and has all sorts of nooks and crannies to put away the G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip. Others will buy the focus because it's cheap transportation that will be a "good car" for a few years. The other side of Fords business unit does well because of the SUV mystique, and the need for work trucks. You will never see a well made, thoughtful, reliable car with "bank vault" doors made by Ford (at least on this side of the pond). However, there's a sucker born every minute, and that's what Ford counts on. Am I saying I'm a sucker for buying a contour? Yes. I was 19 when I bought it. I couldn't get a loan from the likes of toyota or honda at the time. The contour was a great car. It gave me 60 thousand trouble free miles. When I hit that mark, between the creaks and rattles, the warping dashboard, and the impending preventative maintenance (which doesn't bother me) the numbers weren't adding up, and I dropped it like a hot potato.
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I think VW has done a pretty good job in the past few years and definitely has advantages over many of Ford (and other domestic makes). I don't know if I would ever buy a VW as their quality control and reliability seems to be pretty bad, especially on the smaller cars, in the US anyway.
I think the Focus competes pretty well with the Golf/Jetta here and in Europe. Although as someone pointed out Europe is getting an all new Focus we might never see. 
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Well... I agree that you should pull out all the stops from day 1 and keep charging at it until it's time to redesign 4-6 years later (NO car should go more than 6 years without a total redesign).
This is a great idea in theory but how easy is it to actually implement? Constant changes can decrease QC/Reliability. There is the cost of retooling and retraining as well negative impacts on resale value. It's not a perfect solution.
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ehhh wrong, the g6 GTP with the 3.9 pushing arouund 250 HP from what there saying now, will come optional with a MTX 6 speed!
I do find it sad how its a 3.9L making 250 hp, when some honda 3L v6's are making pretty close to the same numbers!
oh well... 250+6 speed... seems like fun to me!
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Oh btw, I think gm is going to be a hit with the cobalt... like I sayed hopefully I'm getting one!
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Originally posted by Mad_Medeiros:
ehhh wrong, the g6 GTP with the 3.9 pushing arouund 250 HP from what there saying now, will come optional with a MTX 6 speed!
Press release I just read lists 3.9L for 240HP. Available Spring 2005
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by Mad_Medeiros:
ehhh wrong, the g6 GTP with the 3.9 pushing arouund 250 HP from what there saying now, will come optional with a MTX 6 speed!
Press release I just read lists 3.9L for 240HP. Available Spring 2005
thanks, I figured it was somewhere arouund 250 HP
still not impressive tough for a 3.9 pushing only that much hp!!! I think that engine is just a lifted 3X00 series motor. god damn old school push rod style engine!
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the vette engine is pushrod
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Originally posted by Mad_Medeiros:
I do find it sad how its a 3.9L making 250 hp, when some honda 3L v6's are making pretty close to the same numbers!
I love how you're bashing the 3.9L engine, saying how Honda's 3.0L is making nearly the same amount of horsepower.
Did you consider that the 3.0L Honda engine will be at a torque deficiency in comparison to the 3.9L Pontiac engine? Horsepower, especially just printed numbers, aren't everything. 
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I read that the CTS will have a smaller engine option. A 2.8l v6 making something like 215. Its just a smaller version of the 3.6. That would be a nice engine mated to a six speed. (in any of the smaller cars) Comparing the Vette engine to any other pushrod is not a fair comparison. The 3800 has been designed to be cheap and torquey. Honestly if they used the corvette engine design in a smaller displacement it would be a pretty cool engine. (expensive)
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