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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:

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Update...

So now it is reported that the first 2 analysts CBS hired to authenticate the documents conclued that they may not be authentic. They expressed their concerns to CBS and even called the producer the day before airtime. CBS simply ignored them (and as we know, ignored the family of the "author" who also said they were not authentic)..got 2 more "experts" and ran the story with any mention of the controversy.

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Well, what do you expect? Trial lawyers, like Sen. John Edwards, use this same tatic when finding an "expert" witness. You keep spending money until you find someone that agrees with you. It's nothing new.

Read CBS's statment. It says that they have been following the story for FIVE YEARS. I guess they got tired of waiting for proof.

Originally posted by DrGonzo:

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Originally posted by BP:

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a small portion of bushisms relate to his pronunciation, and i'm not making fun of him for that

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Then be a little more specific. Obvisously, I wasn't talking about the "Bushisms".

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Originally posted by BP:

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Originally posted by DrGonzo:

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Originally posted by BP:

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a small portion of bushisms relate to his pronunciation, and i'm not making fun of him for that

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Then be a little more specific. Obvisously, I wasn't talking about the "Bushisms".

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be a little more specific about what? i clearly stated the reasons (with examples) i make fun of bush's inability to coherently and intelligently express himself at times and why it's bothersome to me.

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I don't even know why I should bother with this. You are worse than Dan Rather on a Scotch bender.

(Actually it's been fun.)

The request for being specific related to your earlier post, which was WITHOUT specifics or examples, and which I thought refered to Bush's pronunciation problems. I then defended Bush's down-home Texas speech. You then came through with examples to show that you actually were refering to Bushisms. If you had been more specific earlier , I would have known you meant the "Bushisms," and I would not have went off ranting about people who look down on Southerners because of how they sound (again, being in WV, it's a touchy subject for me).

I am not going to respond any further on THIS subject. If you want to start a a new subject about "How much and why I hate Bush", or "Democrats YES", go for it. No need for us to hijack a thread when you can start your own. Maybe we can really explore your political beliefs. Maybe I will start one on "Why John Kerry hasn't impressed me during his 19 years in the Senate", or "How Trial Lawyers and a complicit Legislature have damn near ruined the Great State of WV". Maybe we can explore my political motivations.


ANYWAY..................................

The Dan Rather controversy is not going to go away. It's still a hot story.

Did anyone catch the 60 Minutes II last night? It wasn't shown here, the hour was loooong ago sold to Billy Graham (that sort of stuff probably has better ratings here in the Bible Belt than a news magazine). So I had to resort to reading bits and pieces in the news.

I thought it was interesting that after FIVE YEARS of following the story, Rather put Killan's 86 year old former sec. on, and she actually said the documents were FAKE, but oh well it's all true. (I wonder about her politics. As Molly Ivans would say, If she's a Texan, she's got some politics.) CBS has taken the angle that it's OK to use false evidence if it was intended to bolster a "true" story. If a lawyer did this in court, they would be disbarred. It's a bait and switch; who cares about the documents, it's all about the story (of course, why should we trust their stories now, never mind the facts.) The complete lack of ethics by Rather and CBS is disturbing.

Unless Rather and CBS apoligize and Rather and his producer are subjected to some sort of disciplinary action, in the future I will take anything I see from CBS News with a grain of salt. A journalist without credibility is worthless.

Originally posted by DrGonzo:

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...The complete lack of ethics by Rather and CBS is disturbing.

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Originally posted by BP:

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it seems that some of you would rather focus on the authenticity of the doc rather than the authenticity of the story. at least a few of you can admit there was some preferential treatment going on.

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Originally posted by JaTo:

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Originally posted by DrGonzo:

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...The complete lack of ethics by Rather and CBS is disturbing.

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You're kidding, right?

Rather finally exhibiting this type of behavior doesn't shock me in the least. He's been doing in an off-hand manner for YEARS at CBS...

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Originally posted by DrGonzo:

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Who doesn't admit Bush did what he could to get in the Guard?

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uh...bush. i've never seen or heard him own up to the issue of preferential treatment in getting into the national guard.

Originally posted by DrGonzo:

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The important thing is that he met his obligation. Bush "blew his service"?

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lol. first he bogarted his way into the nat guard, then was reprimanded by his commanding officer for half-assing it, and then stripped of his flying privledges. he may have technically met his obligation but that's not a record i'd be proud of when mentioning military service.

again i was talking about this before dan rather started yapping his flaps. and who cares about that guy, he's not in the running for president. it's fine by me if you kill the messenger in this case, but the message is still there. and now that we have someone who's in the know that comes forward and verifies the accuracy of the story some people still try to brush it off as it's nothing.

either way it looks to me like bush is starting to lose ground at brisk pace and the race is getting much closer as more of his past starts to come out of the closet, his handling of the iraq war continues to bear sh!tty results, and the situation in iraq continues to worsen with a less than flattering outlook.

these discussions might be fun for us, but the bush admin is hemorrhaging right now and i don't see any positive news for him on the horizon. especially with the new weapons report due out soon... btw it's funny how they keep sending inspector after inspector out there to re-evaluate the previous results and they always come back with the same thing....there were no stockpiles to begin with! lol!

Originally posted by BP:

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lol. first he bogarted his way into the nat guard, then was reprimanded by his commanding officer for half-assing it, and then stripped of his flying privledges. he may have technically met his obligation but that's not a record i'd be proud of when mentioning military service.


but the bush admin is hemorrhaging right now and i don't see any positive news for him on the horizon.

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So this CBS producer & Rather spend 5 YEARS trying to make the same points...and ALL they come up with a 4-5 forged documents and an 86 yr old guard pool secretary (who is on record as being anti-Bush) who says the documents are fake but those are the real sentiments of Killian...except Killians own family disagrees. And all you can do is reguritate the same 40 year old story with no proof...pretty weak.

What do you know of stripping flying priveleges anyway....I was in naval aircontrol for 5 years. I PERSONALLY was involved in stripping 2 pilots flight privleges for BAD FLYING. Further, I knew MANY excellent pilots that missed physicals for various reasons, transfer being a common one, and temporarily lost flight status...this is no reflection on anything. So did many aircontrollers who need the same flight physical..If the squadron needed a pilot for duty, they grab a flight surgeon and sign him off in about 30 minutes! Big frickin' deal! 1973 was a time of excess pilots, that's why nobody CARED if Bush's physical elapsed and why he got an honorable discharge. You DO NOT get an honarable by disobeying DIRECT orders...period. To ANYONE with any military aviation experience, Rather and anyone else who spouts that BS looks like a fool!

The story goes on...now memo being traced to local dems in a county in Texas where it "coincidentally" happens that Rather's own daughter is a dem activist and where Dan himself gave a Kerry fundraiser!! Just sideshow just keeps getting better all the time...

Bush is hemmorrhaging to the tune of increasing his lead in Gallop to 13% points and PA & MN have shifted toward Bush's column... The American people as a whole are not buying the BS and not buying what kerry is selling.

Kerry is sinking...but maybe if you pull him back in the boat you can get a bronze star..