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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by BOFH:
Why is it that allegedly smart people associate intelligence with speaking ability? How many absolutely brilliant people do you know that can't speak in public.
of course that's not the only measure of intelligence. but whether you like it or not when you have a job as a public figure that requires you to be a good communicator then you best believe people will use your communication skills/speaking ability as some level of measurement on your intelligence. anyone who's ever negotiated a business deal or sat in a board meeting can vouch for that.
Of course, speaking ability is important, so is leadership. So perhaps we can agree that balance is key. You can be brilliant and yet not be even a good leader. You can have average intelligence, but be a really great leader. Personally, I believe leadership is a more important characteristic of a president than is intelligence.
Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by BOFH:
If you hold on to the idea that speaking ability is tied to intelligence, let's hear you get up and speak, and we'll judge if you are smarter than the president or not.
lol, i do that all the time. my job requires that i know what the heck i'm talking about and know how to communicate it. please don't deny that speaking ability is tied to intelligence at some level, everyone judges people in that manner! i don't proclaim to be the best public speaker, but if put on equal footing i bet i could read the state of the union address better than him! that may be because i have training in that area but this is the president we're talking about. he should have the best public speaking handlers in the universe!
I don't think I did deny that speaking ability is tied to intelligence. I think what I communicated was that being intelligent doesn't automatically result in speaking ability.
(Of course, comprehension is key too, understand? It is also important to not put words into the mouths or keyboards of another. Perhaps it is better to ask for clarification than it is to mis-characterize the words of another.)
Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by BOFH:
Really finally, (lol, I keep having these thoughts) I think some of the wisest people know when to keep their mouths shut.
yet everyone (including you) has something to say in this thread.   keep in mind this is a discussion board?
Sure, I know that, and I'll admit that I didn't finish my thought. Apparently, you took my quip personally. What I should have said was that President Bush is pretty smart for having fewer press conferences since he admittedly trips over his own tongue from time to time.
But it appears to me that you want to take everything personally, so feel free to feel hurt. Just understand that you are hurting and attacking yourself, as I am not attacking you by this comment.
Originally posted by BP:
way to keep this discussion going guys, it's really entertaining even though some of you continue to take weak shot at me... *brushes shoulder off* 
Finally, I think it's a sign of poor debate skills if one takes a shot at another. So I'll try to discuss the issues, but will take you to task if I feel you are mis-characterizing what I say. Disagree with the fact, but don't assign motives unless you are 100% sure you are right.
TB
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Originally posted by autoexebatse:
Kerry = GARBAGE
Vote for Bush
AKA: Flush the Johns
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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JVT i'm having fun in this discussion, can't you tell? i hope you guys are taking all of this with a grain of salt...
TB, thanks for clarifying your position. it's easy to take unfinished statements out of context especially when responding to group of people looking for antagonistic debate...
all in all i think some of you take these discussion and some of my responses chastising your ace cornholio (aka bush) way too personally. sure i like to have fun at the expense of the president but i do have respect for him as our cic. i just don't agree with some of his positions or how he presents himself most of the time.
and of course i'm intentionally abrasive in reference to dubya at times, but this thread would have been over about 20 posts ago if i didn't throw gas onto the fire. like i said i hope you guys are taking these discussions with a grain of salt. hopefully you aren't taking this stuff TOO seriously...this is the intArn3t, we're supposed to have fun here.
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Originally posted by BP:
it's just that i doubt he has enough brain cells left to come up with a coherent statement, much less read a well written statement without sounding like a boxer who's taken one too many right hooks to the head. 
....it's fun making fun of dubya, he makes it waaaaay to easy.
I have found that it is common for the elitists in our society to assume that someone with a a slower speech pattern and a twang to be unintelligent.
Many of the mistakes Bush makes in pronunciation (such as nuk-u-lur)and grammer are common to someone who has spent so much of their life in the South. Speech is often more of a regional thing than an indicator of intelligence.
I am surprised that you, being in Atlanta, would fail to recognize this common prejudice against Southerners.  Being in WV, I see this quite often.
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accent (southern, northern, eastern, foreign) has little affect on your ability to talk coherently imo, it even adds character in most cases. a small portion of bushisms relate to his pronunciation, and i'm not making fun of him for that. i'm making fun of him for stuff like...
"Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.",
"Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day"
"Let me put it to you bluntly. In a changing world, we want more people to have control over your own life."
"As you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's â?? ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions â?? you can't â?? we're out of sanctions."
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
*catches breath*
please don't make me post any more. as you can see this has nothing to do with regional differences in pronunciation or bush's "slowness". this is plain unadulterated dubya.
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Bushisms are funny...there's no denying.
But the plain truth is that for all the "mistaken" words that come out of Bush's mouth...his meaning is clear as a bell. And for all the eloquent, coma laden sentances that flow from Kerry's lips, his meaning is as clear as mud..
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Originally posted by DrGonzo:
How about CNN not reqiuring Carville and Begela to take a leave of absensce until after the election when they sign on to the Kerry campaign as advisors?
I posed this question to my professor, Ken Bode, former senior political analyst for CNN, and here is his response:
Matt,
Thanks for sending along the articles. I think CNN is making a large mistake in keeping Carville and Begala on Crossfire. It's good for them, but it gives away too much. I know the regular reporters are CNN are dismayed.
KB
Interesting, i think...
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Update...
So now it is reported that the first 2 analysts CBS hired to authenticate the documents conclued that they may not be authentic. They expressed their concerns to CBS and even called the producer the day before airtime. CBS simply ignored them (and as we know, ignored the family of the "author" who also said they were not authentic)..got 2 more "experts" and ran the story with any mention of the controversy. Rather/CBS still sticking..
About as blatant an example of biased journalism I can recall. I think Rather is finished as a political journalist.. CBS has taken a hit. And now the Q of authentisity is largely settled the Q of WHO gave them the forged documents is going to be asked more forcefully.
At this point, this "docudrama" is peripheral to and not really harmful for the the Kerry camp/DNC..but if CBS points (under extreme pressure of course) a finger their way...all kinds of hurt for them..
BTW, I think it was incredibly stupid tactically for DNC to release new Bush Guard service commercial this week given this controversy. What are they thinking over there! Not complaining mind you...but it seems like sabotage.
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SO, i was thumbing through my calendar writing down what few important things i actually have to do and i noticed that Tuesday November 2nd is both "Election Day" and "Day of the Dead" (dia de los muertos). coinkydink? i think not!  sorry to interrupt, go back to debating about who the bigger moron is...
Originally posted by Tourgasm:
Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Originally posted by BP:
a small portion of bushisms relate to his pronunciation, and i'm not making fun of him for that
Then be a little more specific. Obvisously, I wasn't talking about the "Bushisms".
I remember Bush catching hell for the "nuclear" pronunciation and some bad grammer. I even remember a newspaper article about people in Texas getting a little pissy about it as they talk the same way.
Anyway, I really don't care if Bush occasionally flubs a line or misreads the teleprompter. It's just fodder for people who can't make a substantive arguement for or against his policies, and good for some jokes on Leno. I admit, it's kind of like the "Clinton's a cad" stuff.
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