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BP, do you really believe calling people "babies" will change the facts of this matter, or are you just another fool blinded by hatred? If so, I pity you. I certainly do not support 100% of what Bush does. For example, I am disgusted that he has made no attempt to secure our Southern border, and would grant amnesty to people who entered this nation illegaly. But will I vote for Bush as oppossed to Kerry? Yes. I really don't give a damn about political ads one way or another. I can find and analyze the facts of the canidates' records. And I can make my own decesion. But whatever way I may lean politically, I am flat-out pissed off that a major news outlet would use these obviously false documents in a story just to advance a particular agenda. And that's not the only example I can give you of the media flsuhing ethics down the toilet. How about CNN not reqiuring Carville and Begela to take a leave of absensce until after the election when they sign on to the Kerry campaign as advisors?  Let me will give you another example. Last Friday, I was in Huntington WV to see the President speak. After the event, I witnessed between 50 and 75 protesters doing their best to relive the 60s. On the drive home, the local AM radio news, which is aligned with ABC, reported that "thousands" of protesters took to the streets.  I am not niave. I know that asking the media to only give the facts without any point of view is unrealistic. But when it becomes this obvious, I reserve the right to become angry about unprofessional partisans in an irresponsible attempt to sway the opinions of what they arrogantly consider to be a simple public.
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Originally posted by gearhead:
...i have no facts to back up my criticism....
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oh, be angry! if you think bush is the best we can do for cic be very angry!  but seriously, some of you take these discussions way too seriously. if you're getting all choked up and red faced at some of the things you read/hear in the media or stuff posted on this board then you need to drink some metamucil or take a couple exlax or something. people around here been too uptight about sh!t recently. makes me wonder if this place will ever get back to normal when the elections are over...
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Originally posted by BP: i figured that would get some of you to whine even louder...
admittedly kerry is behind in a few polls, but according to statistical experts 43% of all statistics are absolutely useless. this will basically come down to election day.
the comment about bush cutting troop pay was in response to the comment about kerry not supporting the military,both were examples of issues taken completely out of context by the left/right. lol @ stalking old posts to prove a point and miserably fail. ..nice try though.
lmao/smh @ the people still referring to the swift boat looneys when the official report, his commanders, the people who were there, and the proof shows that he earned his medals and his version of the story is accurate. ...as accurate as bush saying he completed his service as required and had no "help" getting into the texas national guard. 
This is your best response to the sky falling on Dan "Idiot" Rather and the apparently outright forgeries that CBS and certain media moguls are holding onto, tooth and nail?
All you can do is pout, spew more generalizations and throw more mud?
Forget the polls, the Swiftboat groupies and other political hooplah going on right now. We've got what appears to be a full-blown "hustle" and smear campaign by journalists that are so intent on besmirching GWB that they are half-assing their jobs, tainting the news and destroying any shred of credibility that they had remaining (well, at least to those that have the capacity for thought).
Wait, I forgot. This is mainstream journalism I'm talking about here. This is like expecting a prostitute not to chase "tricks"...
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Well, I apoligize for having a sense of ethics. Please forgive me, BP.
I am not "red faced" or "choked up" over SOMETHING I heard. I am pissed off that much of the media takes the America people for rubes.
BTW, I would like for you to please point out where I said Bush "is the best we can do"? Given two choices, I am choosing who I feel to be the best of the two.
Thank you for proving my point...
you ARE just another fool blinded by hatred.
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don't point fingers at me, i brought no new mud to the mud slinging contest. plus i'm not trying to defend dan rather or his story. we all know the media in general doesn't like bush, possibily because he comes off as an idiot at times...  maybe i don't pay as much attention to the media as you guys do, but it seems they reported the heck out of the swift boat stuff. anyway, i've actually pointed out my belief that bush had "help" to get into the nat guard long before this story broke. that's not to say it's wrong that he had "help", just an observation...
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gonzo, you say i'm the one hating but you're the one directly calling me names? fall back chief. Originally posted by BP: some of you take these discussions way too seriously.
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Originally posted by BP: don't point fingers at me, i brought no new mud to the mud slinging contest
"the conservative klan is has gotten their panties in a bunch "
"you can tell when the bush babies need their diaper changed "
Well, you sure did not add intelligent discourse, either.
And that's "Konservative Klan". At least get it right. 
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Originally posted by BP: maybe i don't pay as much attention to the media as you guys do, but it seems they reported the heck out of the swift boat stuff.
"They" reported the heck out of it when they dug up some obscure connections to Republicans/Bush. So the reporting was not reporting what they were saying, but rather reporting on why the the SBVs should be discredited.
And you mention that the Swifties have no facts to back them up...actually, the most offensive thing Kerry did in his past was when he came back from Vietnam and called all the soldiers over there war criminals, endangering the POWs that were already being held, and making sure every soldier was spat on when they returned home. There is videotape of him saying these things, so you can't say they didn't happen.
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Originally posted by BP: gonzo, you say i'm the one hating but you're the one directly calling me names? fall back chief.
Originally posted by BP: some of you take these discussions way too seriously.
"A fool blinded by hatred" is a description. I think you hate Bush. That's irrational.
And, yes, I am going to describe ideologues that fail to respond to reason or logic, and that respond to a differing opinion by ranting and calling people names, as fools.
And that goes as well for some people on the right.
Don't take it too personal. I think you are capable of more than that. Otherwise it wouldn't get you huffy. Just get off the hate of Bush and those that will vote for him, we are not all just a bunch of neocon automotons.
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