Originally posted by BP:
have dubya's daddy to thank for that one.


Incorrect. We have the international coalition to thank for that one. They would have bailed had we gone into Baghdad, and all support for the war would have been lost. Liberals would have hanged 41 had he gone into Baghdad, and now they're trying to hang him for not.

Our policy in 1991 is the same that Kerry wants to establish now -- international approval. Only then it was far less dangerous to have such a policy.

Originally posted by BP:
complete and utter bs. iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and it's been stated by our own intelligence agencies several times.


That's not his point. Had we shown the world that we are serious about terrorism (meaning committing ground troops and major military campaigns to the cause), it's possible the planning of 9/11 would have been disrupted. But like has been said, we have to be right 100% of the time, the terrorist only have to be right once.

Originally posted by BP:
and you think what we're doing now is going to change that how?


I don't care if the rest of the world hates us. When they lose respect for our power is when they start coming after us. The French hate us, but their respect for our power keeps them from doing anything to us.

Originally posted by BP:
i have and it doesn't apply to iraq because we're not fighting the traditional enemy in iraq. we're at war with an ideology, which is a war that i don't beleive can be won with soldiers, guns, and bombs. don't get me wrong, it does have it's place when used correctly.


So you say above that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 but here you say we're fighting an unconventional enemy's ideology? That's pretty contradictory. I agree, we're at war with an ideology. This is an ideology that Saddam Hussein's Iraq facilitated. That's why they had to be eliminated.

Originally posted by BP:
bush recalculating (flip flopping)? say it isn't so...


Changing strategy is far different from changing opinion on that strategy.

Originally posted by BP:
i don't know who has the answers to how we get out of this problem we're in with iraq. i just think we went about it the wrong way to begin with and started so far off course with a plan to win the "war" against terrorism that now we're stuck in an even deeper predicament. i hope whomever is the next president has some long boots on cause the sh!t we're in is deep.


What would you have done?