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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Aight, though you know that you don't have to add any chemicals to tobacco to make it unhealthy. In fact, depending on how much you smoke, cigar smoking would kill you quicker,,, not you cuz you don't smoke that much, but other people.
Also, there are cigarettes with no chemicals added that can be bought at any gas station.
I enjoy smoking outside or in a well ventilated place as well. I would never smoke in my own home as my allergies wouldn't like it. I don't particularly enjoy being in a cloud of smoke, even if some of that smoke is mine. But, to me it's part of the atmosphere, and if I'm drinking than it starts to matter less and less.
I"m not saying it's health, it's just not as bad. But how many buy those all natural cigs. Not many. And you aren't supposed to inhale cigars into your lungs, which is where most of cigarette smokers have problems. Granted habitual cigar smokers are much more likely to get throat and lung cancers.
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I've heard of guy that never lit a cigar but always had one in his mouth, he got lip cancer. It all is unhealthy, but it's the person's choice.
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Originally posted by sigma:
If people thought it was such a serious issue, why have we continued to go to these restaurants/bars/etc?
Many that think its a serious issue tend to avoid places like this. Others, due to their own apathy, stupidity orignorance choose to go because of the fun factor at a bar vs. the immediate discomfort they feel. In the short-term, the fun gained is greater than the sum of the discomfort that smoke is providing.
Originally posted by Swazo:
If I really thought that second-hand smoke was going to kill me then I would complain to the owner who would then take it upon himself to either allow smoking or not depending on how many people complained.
True, but this doesn't change the health concern of smoke being a toxic substance. This effects more than just the patrons of these places; it effects those that work there and even vendors/suppliers that stock the place. These folks don't have quite the latitude that a patron does in terms of complaining or avoiding places like this. To really strech the seams thin on this topic, smoking areas could be considered hazardous work environments for employees...
Originally posted by Swazo:
So what the government is really protecting me from is my own inability to demand what I truly want?
In so many words, yes. Conceptually, it's rather repugnant, but many laws in the US are in place to protect those who are ignorant, apathetic or just plain stupid.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
but many laws in the US are in place to protect those who are ignorant, apathetic or just plain stupid.
Yep, that's why those little packets of silica gel say "Do Not Eat" because some dumbass retard ate them.
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by JaTo:
but many laws in the US are in place to protect those who are ignorant, apathetic or just plain stupid.
Yep, that's why those little packets of silica gel say "Do Not Eat" because some dumbass retard ate them.
aww but they were so yummy, I couldn't resist. 
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by JaTo:
but many laws in the US are in place to protect those who are ignorant, apathetic or just plain stupid.
Yep, that's why those little packets of silica gel say "Do Not Eat" because some dumbass retard ate them.
Which is also why on a box of nails it says 'Caution do not put nails in mouth."
To the subject of smoking... I think most of what the government says they are doing 'for public health' is B.S. I am part of the public, and I hate smoking. I agree that smoking and non-smoking sections should be sealed off from eachother and the smoking section needs to have good ventilation, but I definatly don't think they should mandate businesses to not allow smoking at all. The way I look at it is this, if smoking is this great plauge sweeping across the nation, why not ban cigarettes??? If the government is truely doing this to 'protect us from our own ignorace' then they should outright ban them. Why won't this ever happen? Simple, they government gets way too much money from taxing the hell out of a pack of smokes to ever consider this. No, they will keep beating down our throats how bad it is for our health, and that they are taxing a pack to $8 for our own good. B.S., it's to get more revenues into government hands so they don't have to raise property/personal income taxes, etc on everyone; no, just tax the $hit out of one group of people.
My idea, which would never happen, but damn it would be funny to see is this; Everyone just quits smoking. Thats right, everyone on their own free will stops smoking in protest of the way they (smokers) are being treated by gov't. When gov't isn't seeing the billions of $$$ a year from the tax revenue you better believe they will start caring. -Nick
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Originally posted by sigma:
If people thought it was such a serious issue, why have we continued to go to these restaurants/bars/etc?
I have yet to see a restaurant/bar/etc that does not allow smoking (in Houston). If I want to eat out I have to hope that the smoke does not make it to the no-smoking area.
Am I expected to never eat in a restaurant because someone else wants to expose me to cancer risks?
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Originally posted by 1314:
Originally posted by sigma:
If people thought it was such a serious issue, why have we continued to go to these restaurants/bars/etc?
I have yet to see a restaurant/bar/etc that does not allow smoking (in Houston). If I want to eat out I have to hope that the smoke does not make it to the no-smoking area.
Am I expected to never eat in a restaurant because someone else wants to expose me to cancer risks?
No, you and others like you, are expected to demand that club owners prohibit smoking in their clubs.
The vast majority of people hate second-hand smoke. If all those people told business owners that they wouldn't come there if people were smoking you can be guaranteed that the policy would be changed the next day. But instead you don't complain and you just keep going there "hoping that the smoke doesn't come your way", giving tacit approval to the management of their policies.
It's no different than if you got bad service at that restaurant -- if you don't complain to the manager the problem will never be fixed. But we're so afraid of confrontation in our society that people almost never complain about anything to the people that can directly fix the problem and when someone does you can hear everyone around them whispering "Oh my God, I can't believe they just said that!"
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Originally posted by sigma:
It's no different than if the government went in and mandated that all McDonald's stop selling unhealthy food. I have the right to be unhealthy if I want, and if the majority of McDonald's customers demanded healthier food and they change their menu (as is happening), so be it.
i think it's different. you can eat 40 big mac's sitting right next to me and it would affect me at all. but if you sit right next to me and smoke 40 packs of cigs then i'll probably catch lung cancer at the same time as you.
in general i agree the gov shouldn't get involved in these issues. i just happen to agree with this single decision.
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