|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,756
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 1,756 |
Originally posted by sigma:
No, you and others like you, are expected to demand that club owners prohibit smoking in their clubs.
The vast majority of people hate second-hand smoke. If all those people told business owners that they wouldn't come there if people were smoking you can be guaranteed that the policy would be changed the next day. But instead you don't complain and you just keep going there "hoping that the smoke doesn't come your way", giving tacit approval to the management of their policies.
Actually, all those people just skipped that step and went straight to lobbying to have a law that prohibited the smoking at that business.
I do complain, but the best they'll do is shuffle me around. The 25 dollar check that gets taken care of does little to satisfy me after having to move around and still inhale smoke while eating. What business owner is going to kick out half the restaurant to satify one person. I, too, wish more people would speak out about it.
Living in Houston, I would think this would be a priority with our pollution problem.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 3,143
Hard-core CEG'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG'er
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 3,143 |
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
I agree that smoking and non-smoking sections should be sealed off from eachother and the smoking section needs to have good ventilation,
The problem with this is that as a non-smoking customer I am in effect paying for the ventilation equipment and associated infastructure. Why should it cost me more money because I don't want you to kill me and make my clothes stink?
They should just legalize pot and ban cigarettes. 
"Bros before Hoes" <-- More men need this mentality.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,193
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
OP
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,193 |
Thank you, Sigma... you pretty much continued my point exactly.
The question is... where does the legislating stop? Smoking bans sound all great because it is helping you. What happens when government bans something you do in the interests of thinking they know better than individual decision making?
Brad "Diva": 2004 Mazda 6s 5-door, Volcanic Red
Rex: 1988 Mazda RX-7 Vert, Harbor Blue.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 772
Veteran CEG\'er
|
|
Veteran CEG\'er
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 772 |
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Now no smoking in bars/clubs sucks. That's part of the reason a lotta people go to a bar/club.
And you know this at 17?
No one goes to a bar to smoke, they go there for the social interaction. Your in GA, just go outside to smoke, the weather is nice there.
That's funny. I thought people went to a BAR to DRINK.  You can socially interact anywhere. And you can drink alone.
As for smoking bans, it is truly unbelievable that Liberalism has so f'd up traditional values of property rights and personal freedom that this sort of crap is seen as an advancement for society. Heaven forbid someone wants to allow a legal activity on their personal property.
Does anyone else find it odd that liberals believe that we should fill the airwaves with smut, and demand that if you don't like it to change the channel, but if you walk into a bar or resturant and don't like it, no only should you not leave but you should demand that everyone else change their behavior???
BYW I only smoke if I am drinking (a nice whiskey and a cigar go well together), and would choose to patronize a non-smoking resturant over one with smoking. But it's not my place to tell you what to do if you own the joint.
former owner, 95 SE MTX
02 Ford Explorer
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 103
CEG\'er
|
|
CEG\'er
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 103 |
Okay, so let's continue this line of thinking....
Who is the government to tell me that I can't drink while I'm driving? Sheesh.
Note the sarcasm please.
ZenTroll
--The original Subaru troll!--
Minneapolis, MN
'04 Subaru 'You. Outside. Now.' (Stg II+)
'78 Camaro Z-28 (406 ci w/lots of fun bits)
'05 Yamaha R1
'03 Suzuki SV1000S
"Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,220
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,220 |
Quote:
Okay, so let's continue this line of thinking....
Who is the government to tell me that I can't drink while I'm driving? Sheesh.
If drunk drivers had sirens and big flashing signs on them that say "I'm a drunk driver move away" we might not have to have a law.
One does not have the opportunity to go somewhere else and avoid a drunk driver before you are killed. Nor can you politely ask that the drunk driver not drive before you are killed.
And most importantly, note the difference between government regulating what a people can and cannot do within their own business, and the government regulating what people can and cannot do on government property (roads).
2003 Mazda6s 3.0L MTX
Webpage
2004 Mazda3s 2.3L ATX
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 103
CEG\'er
|
|
CEG\'er
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 103 |
Originally posted by sigma:
If drunk drivers had sirens and big flashing signs on them that say "I'm a drunk driver move away" we might not have to have a law.
Sure. Good thing all those smokers throughout the decades have had those "My smoke might kill you" neon signs.
Originally posted by sigma:
One does not have the opportunity to go somewhere else and avoid a drunk driver before you are killed. Nor can you politely ask that the drunk driver not drive before you are killed.
How many times have you asked someone to put out their cigarette because you didn't want to breathe their second-hand smoke? Most extend their middle finger, I would imagine. Some would be considerate and comply, but only some. Not all.
Yes, one does have the opportunity to go somewhere else and avoid being killed by a drunk driver. Don't go near a road, off-road path, or body of water, and you won't have to worry about it. Just the same as choosing not to go near anywhere someone might be generating some tasty second-hand smoke.
Originally posted by sigma:
And most importantly, note the difference between government regulating what a people can and cannot do within their own business, and the government regulating what people can and cannot do on government property (roads).
Sure. Better yet, let's note the fact that in both cases, drunk driving and smoking, it's a question of whether or not one person's choices can be allowed to endanger the safety of another person. This is where government performs its function ΓΆβ?¬β?? by helping to establish policies (read: laws) that protect individuals' rights without infringing on other people's rights.
ZenTroll
--The original Subaru troll!--
Minneapolis, MN
'04 Subaru 'You. Outside. Now.' (Stg II+)
'78 Camaro Z-28 (406 ci w/lots of fun bits)
'05 Yamaha R1
'03 Suzuki SV1000S
"Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653
I have no life
|
|
I have no life
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 21,653 |
Ok, I went to the bar tonite and yeah definitely smoking is part of the atmoshphhhere. TPPPL i was with smoked evenn though they don't smoke tohther times. One venen mentioned it that they only smoke at barrs. It's just part of it and it's fun and wow we had tooo much fun.
98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,521
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,521 |
Chris G.
~ 98 Mystique LS ATX
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,193
Hard-core CEG\'er
|
|
OP
Hard-core CEG\'er
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,193 |
Well, on drunk drivers, while I may have some issues with it, there is a set definable mark for what level is OK, and what level is not legal. Also, it is public property. Police cannot enforce drunk driving on private roads.
Mike... I know we'll never agree on this issue. However, I will help you patronize smoke free places, as I believe the right of choice is good.
I truly believe the way to vote is by choosing the places you eat and play at. There are oxygen clubs and smoke free restaurants where one can hang out in a smoke free atmosphere. If you don't want to be around cigarette smoke, patronize those places.
The issue is not the right of smokers to smoke. It is the right of property owners to choose whether or not smoking is allowed in their establishment. Next thing you know, they will ban you from smoking in your home if a salesperson were to come to the door.
I also don't care what the economic impact is (the gain/loss outcomes have been split). It's an issue of allowing property owners to choose what they allow their customers to do.
Of course, as long as we're trying to outlaw things our noses don't like... I'm surprised nobody is trying to outlaw B.O. and perfume/cologne.
I cross posted this to my RX-7 club, and I'm going to steal a quote from over there...
"I feel you underrate that door.
someone owns that door, and gets paid when it opens.
that persons JOB is to make what is inside that door as pleasant as possible, the sole function of this law is to deny the owner of the door, all owners of all doors, the capability to lawfully please lawful smokers.
because some people don't like the smell.
people who are in no way required to enter through that door."
Brad "Diva": 2004 Mazda 6s 5-door, Volcanic Red
Rex: 1988 Mazda RX-7 Vert, Harbor Blue.
|
|
|
|
|
