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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Smoking is a habit of the weak and stupid.
That or the the fact that some people occasionally like the taste of a good cigar, flavored cigarette,etc. I don't smoke very often anymore, but when I do, it's usually not a regular cigaretter. Now, smoking as a habit, every day is stupid. But not a habit of THE stupid. The habit itself is stupid, the person may actually be very smart and just doesn't care enough to quit. Though I'm sure they'll regret it later on.
Maybe there should be bars you can smoke in, and bars you can't. If the people want it bad enough, they could pressure bar owners to change policy just as well as the government can. People need to fight for what they want, not have the government do it for them, since the government is supposed to represent everyone, they wouldn't be representing those that like to smoke at a bar.
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Originally posted by sigma:
...But why does the government have to mandate it? Why do we need a law that tells businesses what they can and cannot allow on their own property -- and we're talking about something that doesn't affect surrounding land values.
But exposure to second-hand smoke has apparently convinced many that this is a health-related issue compelling enough to make the government act accordingly. When public health on a VAST level is being threatened (admittedly, one has to take a LONG-TERM look at it in this case, unless second-hand exposure is immense and consistent), the theory goes that the rights that the public has superceeds the rights that businesses have and that the US government is compelled to step in and mandate the environment inside these businesses.
McDonald's and the food issue you bring up isn't quite the correct parallel. By simply eating McDonald's and exposing others to the proximity of this food doesn't put forth any second-hand contact with that food; eating junk food in the presence of others CAN'T make those around you fat and unhealthly.
Smoking, on the other hand, certainly pollutes the air quality in the area and can cause discomfort and serious health implications if the exposure is consistent and sizeable enough.
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Originally posted by sigma:
But why does the government have to mandate it? Why do we need a law that tells businesses what they can and cannot allow on their own property -- and we're talking about something that doesn't affect surrounding land values.
We are all suffering from a Private Health care system with ever increasing costs. Why not help all of us by reducing smoking related illnesses. For those who smoke and those who don't.
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The problem with America is stupidity.
I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment
for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety
labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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excellent point...
now explain the repeal of the motorcycle helmet law!?!
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Full smoking ban in effect for two years, here. Smoke at home , in car or outside, thats it. Having a smoking section in a club is like a peeing section in a swimming pool. That was the governments motto.
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They should also ban drinking at bars. 
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Kermit,
When I speak of smoking. I speak of chain smoking addicted people.
Cigars are all natural, no chemicals added, and as long as it an occasional thing I don't have a problem with it. In fact I used to do that myself, but also only outside in the summer time or at a cigar bar, with proper ventilation.
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But exposure to second-hand smoke has apparently convinced many that this is a health-related issue compelling enough to make the government act accordingly.
If people thought it was such a serious issue, why have we continued to go to these restaurants/bars/etc?
If I really thought that second-hand smoke was going to kill me then I would complain to the owner who would then take it upon himself to either allow smoking or not depending on how many people complained.
So what the government is really protecting me from is my own inability to demand what I truly want?
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Aight, though you know that you don't have to add any chemicals to tobacco to make it unhealthy. In fact, depending on how much you smoke, cigar smoking would kill you quicker,,, not you cuz you don't smoke that much, but other people.
Also, there are cigarettes with no chemicals added that can be bought at any gas station.
I enjoy smoking outside or in a well ventilated place as well. I would never smoke in my own home as my allergies wouldn't like it. I don't particularly enjoy being in a cloud of smoke, even if some of that smoke is mine. But, to me it's part of the atmosphere, and if I'm drinking than it starts to matter less and less.
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Originally posted by sigma:
So what the government is really protecting me from is my own inability to demand what I truly want?
Exactly.
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