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i love the fact that Mass is completly smokefree.
makes working at the club so much nicer, i dont come home at 4am stinking of stale beer and cigarettes, just stale beer.
the bartenders were pissed at first, because up until a couple months ago they could smoke while working.
but now alot of them are happier because it has helped them either quit or reduce the amount they smoke.
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i'll be happy if/when PA passes a smoking ban.
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I don't think the bans are made so much to keep the smokers from smoking (govt making the choice to keep you from smoking and getting lung cancer). I think the bans are made to protect those who don't smoke from second hand smoke inhalation and the problems that arise from that.
Smokers still have the right to smoke, just not near those that choose to keep their lungs cancer free.
Nonsmokers should be able to enjoy the bar/club scene just as much as the smokers.
Occasionally I enjoy coming home stinking of smoke, but only because it's a lasting reminder of the fun I had at the bar/club I attended.
But frankly I'd rather come home smoke free knowing that my lungs are clean, therefore I'm a fan of the smoking bans.
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Quote:
i'll be happy if/when PA passes a smoking ban.
I second that! Im looking foward to being able to breath at a bar.
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Our city passed a smoking ban in all indoor buildings (unless a separate smoking room with separate ventilation is provided). Bars and truckstops are excluded from the law.
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Originally posted by LoudnQuik:
Originally posted by Andy W.:
Smoking is a habit of the weak and stupid.
-Andy
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I think you're all missing svtcarboy's point.
I'm sure to most of us smoking bans in restaurants and bars are great and wonderful. I know I love it.
But why does the government have to mandate it? Why do we need a law that tells businesses what they can and cannot allow on their own property -- and we're talking about something that doesn't affect surrounding land values.
I love going to a smoke-free restaurant -- but if I really hated that much in the first place I would have complained -- we all would have complained -- and the business would have done it on their own because it would have made fiscal sense, because the customers would have demanded it.
Instead we have the government telling businesses what I want in a broad sweeping reform that affects places where the customers don't give a flying [censored] about whether there's smokers or not.
It's no different than if the government went in and mandated that all McDonald's stop selling unhealthy food. I have the right to be unhealthy if I want, and if the majority of McDonald's customers demanded healthier food and they change their menu (as is happening), so be it.
The government has no right telling McDonald's what services to offer their customers, whether that's "Super-Sizing" or Smoking.
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Originally posted by sigma:
But why does the government have to mandate it? Why do we need a law that tells businesses what they can and cannot allow on their own property -- and we're talking about something that doesn't affect surrounding land values.
Because most business owners continue to think that eliminating smoking in their bars and restaurants will hurt their business. There was an attempt to institute a ban in a small town near here. The restaurant owners all showed up to a meeting to tell the town that they will all be forced to shut down in a couple years if smoking is banned, despite tremendous evidence to the contrary. I'm a perfect example of someone who would frequent these places a whole lot more and replace any lost business.
Personally I have a big issue with smoking in "public" places. I'm an asthmatic and I'm allergic to smoke. Its frustrating going to restaurants and asking for non-smoking just to be seated in the booth right next to the smoking section, then get a dirty look from the host/hostess when I ask to be moved because I have difficulty breathing; or getting into arguments with friends/family/etc. because they think it shouldn't bother me to sit with them in a smoking section. I also don't go to bars anymore because there are few that actually attempt to manage the environment inside. Someone tried to tell me that I should just not go to restaurants and eat at home if the smoke bothers me that much, to which I say you should not go to restaurants and smoke at home if the law bothers you that much.
Look, if you want to smoke and end up like my grandfather who spent 15 years speechless and in a wheelchair because of two strokes and emphysema, I won't stop you, but please don't drag me down with you.
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The free market is a fickle beast. In the early 60's Ford tried introducing seat belts as a $5 option - yep, all of $5. Not enough people sprung for it to justify the cost to Ford. They dropped the option. The Government had to step in in 1968 to save us from ourselves.
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Quote:
The free market is a fickle beast. In the early 60's Ford tried introducing seat belts as a $5 option - yep, all of $5. Not enough people sprung for it to justify the cost to Ford. They dropped the option. The Government had to step in in 1968 to save us from ourselves.
excellent point...
now explain the repeal of the motorcycle helmet law!?!
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