mbTDI, can't let it lie, hm? Looks like you'd prefer to argue facts and hurl insults rather than share opinions. Very well, let's toss out some facts; but I refuse to degrade the quality of this discussion and hurl insults as you seem to enjoy.

Originally posted by mbTDI:
That makes PERFECT sense... b!tch and moan because you actually got money back, something that NEVER would've happened under Gore. Who cares what they label it?



I do care. That's why I vote. Thank goodness one of us is psychic, so we all know what Gore would've done.


Originally posted by mbTDI:
Boy, people just never seem to understand the way the world works, do they?



Uh-oh, I sense an edumacation coming on. Let me guess: since nobody understands the way the world works, you must be the only one. Am I right? ...And, of course, anyone with a different opinion is simply 'unedumacated', because obviously anyone intelligent would hold the exact some opinions that (coincidentally) you do, right?


Originally posted by mbTDI:
America has an electoral college...



Ahh yes, that. Well, true, it's there and we haven't officially gotten rid of it, but if you'll recall why it was formed, we really shouldn't be using it in the modern world. But, that's a different subject.

Originally posted by mbTDI:
America has to have a President...



Thank God someone cleared that up for me. All figurehead-related discussions aside, I'm unclear as to when this got called into question in this discussion.

Originally posted by mbTDI:
supreme court ensures that America has said President...



I can see instances when there might be a need for this, considering that the US Supreme Court was founded to decide cases of federal law or Constitutional issues. However, there's also this concept of "checks and balances" to consider, which is the framework on which our government was originally formed. I still believe it's a good idea, and it becomes a sticky situation here. Since federal Supreme Court justices are appointed by the President, asking the federal Supreme Court to rule on a Presidential election is really pushing the limits of what's allowable under the system of checks & balances. Despite the fact that they're judges, Supreme Court justices are hardly unbiased ΓΆβ?¬β?? which is why they are hand-picked by Presidents. Were the justices elected by the nation as a whole, it would be less of an issue.

Originally posted by mbTDI:
recount after recount produced a 537 vote victory for GW, validating the decision of the Supreme Court.



Where on earth are you getting your number from...? A two-minute Internet search will show you that Gore won the popular vote by 543,895 votes. By the electoral college (which I still say is obsolete) votes, Bush won by 5 votes, 271-266.

I'm not seeing a 537-vote victory anywhere. Again, where are your numbers from?


Originally posted by mbTDI:
Edumacate yourself, boy.



Thanks, I think 7-1/2 years of college was enough for now. I'll go back again eventually, but I'd like a rest first.

I'm curious, do you ever find yourself thinking that everyone but you is an idiot, simply because they don't see things your way...?

Tell you what. Come to the Detroit meet next month and we can chat about this whole thing more over a beer. Heck, I'll buy the first round.

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