Originally posted by JaTo:
Originally posted by Swazo:
...We are now handeling the BS they created in the 80's and 90's.


1) Read about why we were working with the Mujahadeen of Afghanistan and why we stuck our noses in the Middle-East during these times.

Then come back and correct your statement here, as it most certainly wasn't BS back then...

Originally posted by Swazo:
Why should we give dubbya any credit for doing so, it was wrong then and still is today....especially since he lied to do it.


2) What did he lie about, pray tell? I hope you've done your home work here...

Originally posted by Swazo:
M. Moore brought up a good point about "sending your own kids off to die in Iraq". If anyone in the upper class had to consider that they may be sending their own kids to die, they may not be so quick to send them in harms way.


3) It's the worst point in existance. The US is a 100% voluntary force. One can't SEND their kids off to die...

Originally posted by Swazo:
We aren't the world's police, nor should our military be treated as such. So don't give me "they knew what they were signing up for". Yes I served in the military, so I'm speaking from my point of view. Look at what class of Americans are in the overall population of US military that are in Iraq and Afganistan.


4) What's your point? Show me where in history the US military was made up of nothing but middle-class and upper-class troops.




1) How about talking extensively about this issue with SF that actually went there to train them and why, does that count?? Reading about it is one thing, but hearing what multiple eye witness accounts is another. "Charlie Wilson's War" gave a good idea about what the CIA and US SF did, but didn't tell they whole story.

2) How about after the 9/11 attacks, when he spoke about what happened he threw in Iraq to boot. He "implied" (is that sugar coated enough for you?) that Iraq had something to do with what happened. Rather than focusing on who actually attacked us, he chose to clean up unfinished republican business and put what really needed to be done on the side burner. That is still the case.

3) To be objective, you need balance. Being "far right" or "far left" you believe what you want for various reasons....but most likely you haven't come up with your own thought, you regurgitate what you hear. Maybe you should talk to someone that has been to Iraq and ask them how safe it is. We shouldn't be there to begin with, so any death is unwarranted. IF more politicians had children serving as troops, then maybe they would put more consideration in where to send our troops and why.

4) Perhaps your should read about the Civil War. Class has and will always play a part in what the military is composed of and why. Enlisted troops will almost always be composed of lower/middle class people. Officers will almost always be upper middle to upper class. If you doubt that, maybe you should read up about how our military is assembled. I have read and experienced it first hand.

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