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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
After the spike strip did work? Well their vehicle would be decellerating prettyt quickly at that point. Why would they hit a vehicle then as opposed to the 70 miles they already went?
This is all opinion, we need to both bite each other.
DUDE, you think that 17 yr old was breaking the law? You have some weird logic to me. I know that if I was driving there are many people that could TRY to stop me, but I could easily get them to stop, by hitting,etc. (Many could also stop me by hitting,etc.)
Like I said the cops weren't completely wrong. But in that 70 mile chase, they could have tried strips or something else. Did they keep doing that chase just hoping at some point the SUV would decide to stop? They should have tried something before then.
You really really have bad logic when you think because someone is in a vehicle they are a law breaker and should die. Sad thing is you're already grown up and have that logic. 
Yes they are only supposed to use that manuver in safe conditions, I don't think it was a wise choice. However, they did what they thought was right and it turned out deadly. I do think your argument would be different if these kids killed someone in the process. I don't think they deserved to loose their lives, but it happened and there is nothing anyone can do to change that. Spike strips at 100+mph, yes they would decelerate, but that never stops them from continuing to run.
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You also have to realize that at 100+mph spike strips would have the same effect. The tires would blow out, not slowly deflate, and at that speed the driver would lose control and likly roll the suv.
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Originally posted by KyleH:
You also have to realize that at 100+mph spike strips would have the same effect. The tires would blow out, not slowly deflate, and at that speed the driver would lose control and likly roll the suv.
Yeah.. I wonder if we could get some professional opinions on the spike strips. Personally, I would guess that at that speed they would rapidly decrease, not slowly. With the spike strips, you can't control where the SUV is gonna be in traffic.. with the pit, you can get the SUV when you KNOW its clear. Again, I'm not sure about this, its all just best guess. Where's a po po when we need him?
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1. Spike strips at those speeds would likely have the same effect as the pit maneuver.
2. Looking at the tape, the interstate was at least 3 lanes wide with heavy traffic. There was no way the officers could have deployed spike strips in a situation like that without significant risk to their own lives, more risk than completing the pit maneuver.
3. You are assuming that at least one officer far ahead of the chase had spike strips. That is not always the case, for various reasons.
4. When they finally pitted her, it was after 60 miles during which she put hundreds at risk, and was likely a spur-of-the-moment thing, when the officers saw an opportunity to end the dangerous situation rather than continue to let her endanger completely innocent drivers.
5. You are acting like the officer was giddy that he got the chance to kill someone by completing the pit maneuver. Likely NOT the case. High speed chases are one of the most stressful situations for police officers; and you never feel good about taking a life.
6. The 17 yr old is an unfortunate victim, as is the driver. It's likely the 17 yr old was paralyzed with fear during the entire incident.
7. It's likely they chased her that distance hoping she would run out of gas. When she didn't, the officers had to take charge and end the situation rather than let her willfully endanger lives. As a result, her failure to obey the law cost her and her passenger their lives.
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
4. When they finally pitted her, it was after 60 miles during which she put hundreds at risk, and was likely a spur-of-the-moment thing, when the officers saw an opportunity to end the dangerous situation rather than continue to let her endanger completely innocent drivers.
Exactly, its not like it was 5 miles into the chase.
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There's another thing that you are all failing to mention about their death..............neither driver, nor the passenger, were wearing seatbelts. They MIGHT have had a chance to live if they did..........I do say MIGHT. I saw what the truck looked like after and I honestly don't think they would have survived either way. I have to agree, whether they used spike strips or the PIT, either way would result in a very bad ending. The officers did what they had to do to keep thousands of people safe, and if it meant ending those two lives, well, so be it, they chose to run all because of a suspended license. I have ABSOLUTELY no sympathy for that kind of stupidness. 
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
5. You are acting like the officer was giddy that he got the chance to kill someone by completing the pit maneuver. Likely NOT the case. High speed chases are one of the most stressful situations for police officers; and you never feel good about taking a life.
6. The 17 yr old is an unfortunate victim, as is the driver. It's likely the 17 yr old was paralyzed with fear during the entire incident.
5.Again, nothing against any officer.
6.Yes
Thanks Sandman for not being a prick about it like some people are.
And because of your post, I understand better now. Yeah the pit manaveur may have been the only thing they could have done in this case (MAYBE not though).
If that is the only method though, I think more methods need to be developed or something. That could have just as easily been a hostage that the officers didn't realize was a hostage.
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Originally posted by CRZYDRVR:
OMG thats crazy
How drunk do you have to be to leave a headless body in your truck??
I'm suprised that didn't occur here in NM.
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Kremi, how could they know where/when the break in traffic would be? You need a small window of opportunity when using spike strips in order to deploy them, and in traffic, that's darn near impossible. On a clear road, the officer can toss them out into the road, but not in traffic.
At 100mph in traffic there was NO WAY to know if/when any window of opportunity would ever present itself, much less where along the roadway it might happen.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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IMHO, the moment you decide to run from the cops and put others lives in danger, you surrender ANY AND ALL expectations that the officers will be concerned with and will do anything to ensure your safety. Their priority is to try to stop you ASAP without hurting themselves or innocent civillians. YOUR safety is a distant second.
Not only did those two knuckleheads deserve what they got, the officer did the world a favor by getting rid of two complete morons before they could procreate. Darwin strikes again.
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