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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:

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Most car enthusiasts generally care about cars that are either appealing to the eye or have potential under the hood. Doesn't really matter which of the entire Saturn line you choose, none of them have a lot of potential, nor would the be considered eye candy by any means. My mom drives a Saturn and I have no clue what model, engine size, weight it is. I just remember hanging my head when she told me she bought it.

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The fact that when the slushboxed-only Saturn LS2/LS300 first came out it could almost touch the straight line performance of the SVT-C even with its relatively untapped, untuned 3.0 Litre V6 tells me that there is some potential there and worth at least one raised eyebrow, even if the looks could get only a Frigidair to breathing heavy.

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You do realize that theoretically, if the SVT-C's 2.5 was to match the displacement of that 3.0 that it would be at 240hp and very capable of mid 14 second passes easily, as with the increase in displacement, comes an increase in torque as well....A lot of people talk down about the SVT's power ouput, but fail to see that it is quite impressive for a mere 2.5 liters, almost Honda efficiency. Hell, look back at the Fox Body 5.0 Mustang for god's sake, we can say the SVTC can almost touch that AND it is literally half the displacement.

Originally posted by JonnySVT:

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You do realize that theoretically, if the SVT-C's 2.5 was to match the displacement of that 3.0 that it would be at 240hp and very capable of mid 14 second passes easily, as with the increase in displacement, comes an increase in torque as well....A lot of people talk down about the SVT's power ouput, but fail to see that it is quite impressive for a mere 2.5 liters, almost Honda efficiency. Hell, look back at the Fox Body 5.0 Mustang for god's sake, we can say the SVTC can almost touch that AND it is literally half the displacement.

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Originally posted by Blk560:

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Originally posted by Quick_SVT:

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Wife's car: '00 Saturn LS2. Dk. Toreador Red (no joke) / Graphite Yes it is clear that his WIFE drives an LS2, I guess your assuming that everyone should know what an saturn LS2 is and what it weighs right?

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Well, I assumed that most 'car guys' stay on top of things and have a general awareness of the types and sizes of cars offered by most automakers -- particularly in the case of a Saturn LS since it's a sub-mid-sizer of similar weight and grunt to the Contour line. If I have assumed wrongly, and you don't have this general awareness I speak of or keep abreast of most carmaker's offerings, then I offer my sincerest apologies.

FWIW, I didn't know its weight off the top of my head...but it was easily found on Edmunds.com after half a minute or so. You might try it sometime.

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Pardon me for not knowing i don't give a crap if it was powered by a maybach v12 and made of NASA developed ultra durable spacecraft materials..Pull your shorts out your ass

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I'll let your ignorance and short temper speak for themselves.

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You are right, I am not a "car guy" I should be more familiar with Saturns LS car line. My post might have been a little ignorant to boot. But isn't it also ignorant to assume that "car guys" should have knowledge about every vehicle from every manufacterer or even care to know for that matter.

Originally posted by JonnySVT:

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The fact that when the slushboxed-only Saturn LS2/LS300 first came out it could almost touch the straight line performance of the SVT-C even with its relatively untapped, untuned 3.0 Litre V6 tells me that there is some potential there and worth at least one raised eyebrow, even if the looks could get only a Frigidair to breathing heavy.

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You do realize that theoretically, if the SVT-C's 2.5 was to match the displacement of that 3.0 that it would be at 240hp and very capable of mid 14 second passes easily, as with the increase in displacement, comes an increase in torque as well....A lot of people talk down about the SVT's power ouput, but fail to see that it is quite impressive for a mere 2.5 liters, almost Honda efficiency. Hell, look back at the Fox Body 5.0 Mustang for god's sake, we can say the SVTC can almost touch that AND it is literally half the displacement.

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Yes, I'm very familiar with the specific-output bench-racing mantra...it's been around for quite a while, a bit tired, and you're wasting your keystrokes on me if you think I'm learning something new here.

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I'm hoping you're not learning something new, I'm just pointing out that you are comparing a 3L to a 2.5L. If the displacement were even, the SVTC would come out WAY ahead. It just sounded to me as if you were saying the Saturn was almost just as much of a performer as the SVT, despite the obvious displacement..displacement. And to clear it up, I was not implying nor stating that you had talked down to the HO Duratec.

ChrisilverSVT, I was merely pointing out that a stock SVTC is, VERY nearly, capable of hanging with a Fox 5.0. There are roads longer than a 1/4 mile and not all races are from a dig... The fact that the high to mid 14 sec car is RWD and the low to mid 15 sec car is a heavy, FWD car kind of evens things out on the road....

Originally posted by JonnySVT:

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If the displacement were even...

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But it's not. So let it go.

You people [in this thread] and your "but if" statements. Geez...

Originally posted by Quick_SVT:

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But isn't it also ignorant to assume that "car guys" should have knowledge about every vehicle from every manufacterer or even care to know for that matter.

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But it's not. So let it go.

You people [in this thread] and your "but if" statements. Geez...

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Obviously someone who missed the point.

Blk560, while I consider myself a car enthusiast, I'm not too "enthusiastic" about Saturns, just not my cup of tea. You seem knowledgable enough to realize a good car, in your opinion that is, so I have no beef with that. As anyone does, you are defending the cars you have liked for one reason or another, it happens to everyone. Back on topic I guess, but I fail to see a worthy topic other than this one in the thread, other than the factory freak discussion.