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I'm just currious what you concider "great framerates" and at what settings because my CPU is much slower and I have half your ram but the same vid card at at 1024x768 high quality I am averaging 60-65 FPS. Too many people are used to getting 100+ fps in quakeIII and are too obcessed with synthetic benches that dont reflect true gameplay these days. If you want to play at 1600x1200 Ultra Quality then get a GeForce 6800 GT or Ultra of an X800XT-PE. Otherwise take your 60+ FPS "which I'm sure you have" as you put it and have fun playing the game.
I would NEVER play a game at 1600x1200.
I don't play with Ultra Quality settings.
I don't play Quake3.
I don't use 3DMark, have it installed, or credit it as a valid benchmarking utility.
You don't "average" 60-65FPS.
Go run a Time Demo, see my instructions from the earlier post.
Learn how to spell.
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haha, your friend is so geeky, yet not as geeky as I used to be, in fact, the computer i'm upgrading is near 2 years old and watercooled, back when watercooling was 1337 at the lan parties, back before you could buy a pre-modded case, back when a neon light was like $60.
That blue around the front intake fans are just the tops of plastic bowls 
You can even see the Compaq I modded for a friend to the right.
Geeky? Explain?
Watercooling is still very "l33t" and applicable.
What the hell are you talking about?
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Originally posted by AliasJerk:
I found something else, hows about the FX 5700 Ultra. Im actually starting to go into the game for a new video card. I currently have a Geforce 4 Ti4200 64MB DDR made by Abit Silvero. Its a good card, but I need something new soon, and I want to take this card and use the TV out for the Media/Tivo PC im currently working on (as the money comes).
Buy the best card you can afford...
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The ATI 9600xt is a good choice. So is the ATI Raedon 9800 pro, but it's a bit pricey still.
Yes, the 9600XT is a decent mid range card. It'll run like DooM3 like crap. The 9800 pro is a good choice and definitely not expensive anymore. Get the 256MB version.
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Point is, stay away from the Nvidia cards for a little while.
Don't stay away from NVidia products. I'm an ATI guy, myself. I owned an All In Wonder 9700 PRO before I bought the 9800XT. But, Nvidia's a good company with a solid record. They have good drivers and compatability, that surpass ATI most of the time. Yes, a lot of ATI cards outperform comparable NVidia products. Not with the 6800, though.
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They run hot & loud and are outperformed by comparably priced ATI products.
*sigh*
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Dude you can't even get the system posted above to run this game well(it should) and that speaks volumes about how much you know!
Does it, really? Or does it outline my ability to actually be able to judge and scale performance on certain systems and benchmarks? Or, it might mean my standards for "performance" are probably a lot higher than the standards you set yourself. Because frankly, how CAN you set standards? You probably don't even know how to MEASURE performance.
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I agree PCI express isn't there yet but it's coming whether you like it or not so it's something for people to think about when they plan a system with upgradeablity in mind.
Can you exlpain WHY you think PCI Express "isn't there yet"? A lot people on these forums shout off opinions, but never back them up with ANY factual information. Yes, it's something to keep in mind. Maybe 1-2 years from now.
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But on a more personal note, most of us here are trying to help so your condescending BS isn't welcome. Have a nice night some place else!
No, I'll have a nice night right here, thank you. I'm also trying to help people. I'm just not going to hold your hand and feed you candy while I do it.
If you look at the posts I've made in the past 2 days, you'll see they contain more FACTUAL information than any of these other peoples' posts put together.
People will say "Buy this card it is awesome." Or "don't buy that card, it sucks." I'm actually informing you on AGP and PCI-E over here. Pay attention, and don't take it for granted.
Point one: The system you outlined is pretty to close to the best that the consumer can get their hands on and if it's not fast enough for you then please explain to us whats beyond the cutting edge so that someday we might all measure up to your lofty standards! 
Point two: PCI express will be in full swing by next summer. Why? One small reason is because it's to expensive for motherboard and video card makers to continue to produce their product in two formats.
Point three: Trying to help people doesn't give you "free to be an azzhole privileges"! We welcome newcomers and they don't have to feed candy or hold hands with anyone unless thats what you're into, but signing up for a forum just to showoff is kinda pathetic don't you think!
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Originally posted by lowridincontour:
My system specs. P4 3.0, 1 gig corsair xms pc 3200 ram (with led activity lights...lol), Ge-force FX 5900 256mb, and some other stuff including a big watercooled case... And with all that said, I can run any game I have (UT 2004 being the most graphic intensive) at the higest detail settings without any problems....
I don't have "problems" running ANY game on my system. And we were discussing DooM3 hardware performance, not UT2004. Try to pay attention
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usually well above the 70+ FPS mark... so our buddy with the mad crazy system not having the game run good at all either needs to lower their standards some and maybe consideder looking unto some updated drivers for his/her card to start off with...
Yes, maybe I should somehow find a better driver than the Catalyst 4.9BETA driver that ATI released to address DooM3 performance issues with ATI Products... Yes, Catalyst 4.7 was the last OFFICIALLY released Catalyst Driver.
Idiot.
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If that dosent help than try buying the pentium 8 processor... ive heard that it really kicks the P4's but. 
For the vid card options go with either
- Ge-Force FX 5700 128mb... dont get an MX card they suck
- Radeon 9600XT 128 mb
Both cards are around 150 bucks.... so its prefrence after that... or which one looks cooler in your opinion. Look up some benchmarks and compare cards that are closley priced, and see which ones better for the price.
Both cards suck for DooM3. You need 256MB of texture memory on board. I'm tired of repeating this.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Have a P4 2.0ghz with 512mb PC2100 and a TI4600 and the game runs great at high quality at 1024x768 with very decent frame rates.
I'd love to know what that means.
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Word of advice- don't run a whole lot in your background while playing games... you'll notice a vast performance increase.
Yeah, if you only have like 256MB of RAM, don't do that. Otherwise, programs like AIM or MIRC really aren't gonna rob you of any noticable performance.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
After playing for a couple hours I'm gonna say I'm officially disappointed! The game play is average though spooky in spots which is cool! The eye candy is very nice WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT!  Staring down the narrow beam of a flashlight doesn't illuminate much in the way of outstanding graphics! You don't get to see the great detail that they put into the monsters very often because it's very dark(most of the time) and you can't shine the flashlight and fire a weapon at the same time.
I could handle average game play if they'd let me ooh and aah at the graphics but they don't even let me do that much!
Well, it's a good thing I stopped by these forums to school you noobs.
I have exactly what you're looking for!
The Duct Tape Mod
Now you can use your weapon AND have a flashlight on at the same time.
Enjoy!
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No, I've got plenty of fact in my statement.
You back up your arguments with NO factual information.
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There's more to performance than just upgrading your machine.
No. You upgrade your machine with better hardware, you get better performance. PERIOD.
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Great, you've got a high-end machine that cost you a bunch of money. And you're still complaining about performance.
I wasn't complaining. I was giving people a benchmark for when they decide to upgrade. By telling them waht my system is and how it handles the game. Try to pay attention.
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I've got a machine that cost most likely less than half of yours (even assuming you built your own)
Well, let's test your theory. How much did you pay for your system? And I want ALL costs.
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and I'm VERY satisfied with my performance.
This proves nothing and is irrelevant.
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Keep your drives defragged, keep as little running in the background, and enjoy higher performance, it's that simple.
Wrong. You can defrag all you want, or turn of all the programs you want. Remove all the icons from your background. Remove your wallpaper. If you have an AMD2400+, DooM3 will STILL run like CRAP.
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Again, there's nothing taking full advantage of AGP 8x, why bother going any further? It's going to take at least a year before PCI-E is even touched on, let alone used.
Yes, that's exactly what I said earlier. I'm glad to have taught you something. Thanks for listening.
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And, your "recommendations" are just bogus. If you're not happy with the game, why are you suggesting someone blow over a grand on a machine JUST to play a game?
What the hell are you talking about? When did I say I wasn't happy with DooM3? All I said was my system doesn't run it great. PAY ATTENTION.
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If you want to play Doom3 really well, just pay $150 for an XBOX, $50 for the game, and spend the other $800 on a decent TV, which you'll get more use out of. It makes more sense that way.
This is going to be fun...
The XBOX version of DooM3 is going to be gutted of most of its amazing technology. Why? The XBOX has a 700MHz CPU and a GeForce2 or 3 GPU. Not to mention since 90% of the people who play XBOX play it on an interlaced TV, which has a 30Hz refresh rate. This means all they have to do is get DooM3 to run at 30 frames per second on the XBOX, because you won't see anything over that because of the refresh rate limitation.
If the original poster with the AMD1700+ spent $150 on a mid range video card to upgrade his computer, he could run DooM3 at Low Quality settings which would STILL look better than XBOX and I'm sure he could push the 30FPS limitations of the XBOX version. Not to mention the flexability you have with a PC version of a game far surpasses any XBOX version. You'll be able to mod the game and actually be a part of an online multiplayer/modding community.
I own an XBOX, it's a good system, but please play DooM3 on your PC. You'll be happy you did.
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Point one: The system you outlined is pretty to close to the best that the consumer can get their hands on and if it's not fast enough for you then please explain to us whats beyond the cutting edge so that someday we might all measure up to your lofty standards!
Very wrong. There are MANY different configurations you could go with to overshadow the performance of my system.
Suggestions : AMD64 CPU, P4 Extreme Edition CPU, ATI X800XT-PE, NVIDIA 6800Ultra, Raptor Hard Drives @ 10,000RPM
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Point two: PCI express will be in full swing by next summer. Why? One small reason is because it's to expensive for motherboard and video card makers to continue to produce their product in two formats.
PCI Express won't be in "full swing" until consumers decide that they want to completely DITCH their current hardware to upgrade to this 'new tecnology that promises so much'. And unfortunately, you can't predict things like that as well as you think.
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Point three: Trying to help people doesn't give you "free to be an azzhole privileges"! We welcome newcomers and they don't have to feed candy or hold hands with anyone unless thats what you're into, but signing up for a forum just to showoff is kinda pathetic don't you think!
I didn't sign up to show off. My buddy frequents this board and was reading a post out loud about DooM3, so I decided to post a response to try and help.
Think about any valuable lesson you've ever learned in your life. It's usually a difficult process.
You can choose to ignore my suggestions and focus on my hostility, or you can do the opposite. That's your choice.
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