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I found something else, hows about the FX 5700 Ultra. Im actually starting to go into the game for a new video card. I currently have a Geforce 4 Ti4200 64MB DDR made by Abit Silvero. Its a good card, but I need something new soon, and I want to take this card and use the TV out for the Media/Tivo PC im currently working on (as the money comes).
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Originally posted by 2.3Turbochicken:
I run a athlon xp 3000+ wiht 512 of pc2700 and the ati radeon 9600 xt(it outdoes the cheap 9800's) and it runs in high detail just fine
The ATI 9600xt is a good choice. So is the ATI Raedon 9800 pro, but it's a bit pricey still. Point is, stay away from the Nvidia cards for a little while. They run hot & loud and are outperformed by comparably priced ATI products. I just bought my first ATI product ever... In the past I've always heard bad things about their installations & drivers, but they seem to have solved those problems, quite well I must add.
I picked up a new ATI Raedon 9700 Pro for under $150 on Ebay. It was OEM surplus & didn't have installation drivers & stuff, but I downloaded those easy enough. The card freakin' ROCKS! It has analog, digital, and S-video outputs. It is still billed as the fasted analog vid card in the world. If you're running a CRT or digital flat screen, consider it since it's in your price range.
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My system specs. P4 3.0, 1 gig corsair xms pc 3200 ram (with led activity lights...lol), Ge-force FX 5900 256mb, and some other stuff including a big watercooled case... And with all that said, I can run any game I have (UT 2004 being the most graphic intensive) at the higest detail settings without any problems.... usually well above the 70+ FPS mark... so our buddy with the mad crazy system not having the game run good at all either needs to lower their standards some and maybe consideder looking unto some updated drivers for his/her card to start off with... If that dosent help than try buying the pentium 8 processor... ive heard that it really kicks the P4's but.  For the vid card options go with either - Ge-Force FX 5700 128mb... dont get an MX card they suck - Radeon 9600XT 128 mb Both cards are around 150 bucks.... so its prefrence after that... or which one looks cooler in your opinion. Look up some benchmarks and compare cards that are closley priced, and see which ones better for the price.
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Have a P4 2.0ghz with 512mb PC2100 and a TI4600 and the game runs great at high quality at 1024x768 with very decent frame rates.
Word of advice- don't run a whole lot in your background while playing games... you'll notice a vast performance increase.
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After playing for a couple hours I'm gonna say I'm officially disappointed! The game play is average though spooky in spots which is cool! The eye candy is very nice WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT!  Staring down the narrow beam of a flashlight doesn't illuminate much in the way of outstanding graphics! You don't get to see the great detail that they put into the monsters very often because it's very dark(most of the time) and you can't shine the flashlight and fire a weapon at the same time. I could handle average game play if they'd let me ooh and aah at the graphics but they don't even let me do that much!
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Dude you can't even get the system posted above to run this game well(it should) and that speaks volumes about how much you know!
Does it, really? Or does it outline my ability to actually be able to judge and scale performance on certain systems and benchmarks? Or, it might mean my standards for "performance" are probably a lot higher than the standards you set yourself. Because frankly, how CAN you set standards? You probably don't even know how to MEASURE performance.
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I agree PCI express isn't there yet but it's coming whether you like it or not so it's something for people to think about when they plan a system with upgradeablity in mind.
Can you exlpain WHY you think PCI Express "isn't there yet"? A lot people on these forums shout off opinions, but never back them up with ANY factual information. Yes, it's something to keep in mind. Maybe 1-2 years from now.
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But on a more personal note, most of us here are trying to help so your condescending BS isn't welcome. Have a nice night some place else!
No, I'll have a nice night right here, thank you. I'm also trying to help people. I'm just not going to hold your hand and feed you candy while I do it.
If you look at the posts I've made in the past 2 days, you'll see they contain more FACTUAL information than any of these other peoples' posts put together.
People will say "Buy this card it is awesome." Or "don't buy that card, it sucks." I'm actually informing you on AGP and PCI-E over here. Pay attention, and don't take it for granted.
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No performance gain? Well not quite. Using 3Dmark03 with 4x I scored 4000 points. And with 8x I scored 6223. Frame rates and fill rates were also down 30-40% on all tests.
Stop running synthetic benchmarks. Programs like 3DMark have been proven over and over to be fallible and totally unworthy of measuring TRUE performance in a real rendering gaming environment. Go play some games and test the frame rates.
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But I do agree with you about people jumping on the high tech bandwagon. Hardware technology is so much further ahead of software technology its kind of pointless to buy top of the line stuff right away. Unless your doing high end graphics or video your not going to fully use the new stuff just coming out. Not to mention it always more expensive when it first comes out.
I'd have to disagree with you there. Let's take DooM3, for instance. On ULTRA QUALITY settings, if you notice, the game will actually WARN you that it REQUIRES 512MB of Texture Memory. Do you know of any video cards that currently have 512MB of texture memory?? Because I certainly don't. Aside from that, you realize they STARTED production on DooM3 _4_ years ago.
Software technology is ahead of hardware, in some aspects. Just because games can't fill the PCI-E 16X bandwidth line doesn't mean it's "behind"... It just means they don't need to use it yet.
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I recommend the MSI 9800Pro 128mb card. Thats the one I'm using. The MSI cards have the same chip as the 9800XT. When I put the card in my computer windows recognized it as an XT without flashing the BIOS. The Sapphire cards also use the XT chip. Some video card makers just use the standard pro chip. IMO the 256mb card is way over priced for what you get. I'm talking about the 9800Pro 256 card. In some of the benchmarks I saw it was only 2-3fps more than the 128 card. Sometimes the 128mb card was better. Not really worth the extra $100 if you ask me. I would stay away from the 9800SE. Its a very stripped down pro card. Its equal to the 9600XT. With the ATI X800 out now the 9800 pro is dropping in price quick. And it will still last you for quite a while.
You're looking at old benchmarks, lame synthetic benchmarks like 3DMark, or you're looking at benchmarks from games that just don't USE 256MB of texture memory. Counter Strike won't see performance gains from an extra 128MB of texture memory, sorry...
And since this thread is dedicated to DooM3, yes, buy a 256MB card. Like I said earlier, DooM3 Ultra Quality REQUIRES 512MB of texture memory. Think about that when making your decision...
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Originally posted by nytejade:
If you look at the posts I've made in the past 2 days, you'll see they contain more FACTUAL information than any of these other peoples' posts put together.
No, I've got plenty of fact in my statement.
There's more to performance than just upgrading your machine. Great, you've got a high-end machine that cost you a bunch of money. And you're still complaining about performance. I've got a machine that cost most likely less than half of yours (even assuming you built your own) and I'm VERY satisfied with my performance. Keep your drives defragged, keep as little running in the background, and enjoy higher performance, it's that simple.
Again, there's nothing taking full advantage of AGP 8x, why bother going any further? It's going to take at least a year before PCI-E is even touched on, let alone used.
And, your "recommendations" are just bogus. If you're not happy with the game, why are you suggesting someone blow over a grand on a machine JUST to play a game? If you want to play Doom3 really well, just pay $150 for an XBOX, $50 for the game, and spend the other $800 on a decent TV, which you'll get more use out of. It makes more sense that way.
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Not quite.  9800 Non-pro's, depending on the company, use lower quality memory which will not overclock that well.
Yes you're right. Some third party manufacturers don't use Samsung memory on their boards. A lot of them do. Most of the built by ATI boards DO use the Samsung memory. Well, what do we do then? Do some RESEARCH, find the boards with the good memory, overclock it, save some money.
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You seem to casually mention that overclockingor flasing bios will solve the problem.
What problem? It doesn't solve a problem. It saves you money. If you're not afraid to get your hands dirty, do some reading, and flash your BIOS. It's actually a really easy process. Back in the day flashing hardware used to be a big danger and people used to hate doing/didn't do it at all. Today you have programs that literally say "Ok, where's the BIOS image... Ok, click FLASH. OK DONE" It's a sinch. It saves you money.
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Not everyone I overclocks and flashes bios, I wouldn't want some of the 'computer' people I know overclocking, they would damage their equipment.
That's because those "computer people" don't know what they're doing.
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Plus you can overclock the pro version, which almost guerentee's you will have higher end memory that will run a faster overclock. Spend the extra money.
Right. You can essentially overclock a NP->PRO or a PRO->XT. It's your choice, and budget, really.
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Also, I don't see how you can get crappy framerates with your system, unless you are trying to run something like 1600x1200 8xAA.
No. I don't use AA or AF. I think those options are lame and are destroying driver performance. ATI and NVidia are focusing so much on AA and AF these days they neglect NON-AA and NON-AF application performance. It pisses me off, and I don't support those options. I run the game at 1024x768 at High Quality with all special effects on for Single Player... It drops to 30FPS sometimes, and that's unacceptable to me.
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Originally posted by 2.3Turbochicken:
I run a athlon xp 3000+ wiht 512 of pc2700 and the ati radeon 9600 xt(it outdoes the cheap 9800's) and it runs in high detail just fine
Awwww, cute.
Start Doom3, go into your System settings, go into advanced options, make sure all your special effects are ON.
Go to console. You'll have to hit CTRL-ALT-` (tilde key) to get into your console, and type "timedemo demo1"
Come back and tell me what "just fine" means.
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