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1) one has nothing to do with the other. he's been exposed to the environment and inner workings longer than bush which to me makes him more experienced. i've already answered the second part of your question.
2) again one isn't always related to the other. his experience in battle shows that he knows what it's like to actually fight and shed blood for your country. him bringing light to war atrocities is nothing new and doesn't change the fact that he served and fought in battle.
3) i don't think he's respected by all soldiers so i can't answer this question. but i'm sure there are people he fought with on both sides of the fence with their own agenda. like you said...accusations.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Haliburton is the most-qualified company in the world to rebuild Iraq. Why should the contract go to anyone else?
prove it! can you name other companies that also bid for post war contracts and show that they were not as qualified?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Contradictions:
1. Kerry's experience in the Senate qualifies him to be President BUT you should not consider his votes in the Senate as indications of policy.
2. Kerry's experience in Vietnam shows his great leadership and dedication to his country BUT you should forget he came back and accused the United States of engaging in war crimes.
3. Support coming from Kerry's former shipmates shows he is respected by all soldiers BUT you should ignore the soldiers who accuse him of war crimes and using self-inflicted wounds to get Purple Hearts.
Those aren't contradictions, they are all perfectly logical trains of thought. A contradiction is saying one thing then later saying the opposite -- like Kerry does most of the time.
1> You consider Bush being Governor as qualification, but don't consider that the Governor of Texas has no political power whatsoever.
2> A person can be a great leader in war but later say that there were war crimes committed -- they are not mutually exclusive.
2> And I don't think anyone said that Kerry was supported by all soldiers.
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just as the bush backers should take the positive and negative of his RESERVE duty into consideration. as i've said before, i have much more respect for a man sending me into a situation that he has experience with in comparison to a man that weaseled his way out of the same situation he's trying to send me into.
Are you currently in the military, or are you former military? You're statement definately does not sound like one of a military person, nor does it sound like anything anyone under my command every said. Simply because you do not believe the reserves do anything worth a damn in the war effort, doesn't make it so, and any military person knows this. Pilots are not simply tossed into a multi-million dollar aircraft, there is extensive traning and screening, no matter who you are.
I have far more respect for a man who did his service (even if it wasn't to be considered heroic) than a man who did an extra short-tour, received multiple purple hearts for minor wounds (cheapening the medals actual worth), and then came home to spout lies and spread hatred about the soldiers still risking their lives.
My respect is just like the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor I wear on my arm for life, it was earned, not given to me.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Those aren't contradictions, they are all perfectly logical trains of thought. A contradiction is saying one thing then later saying the opposite -- like Kerry does most of the time.
1> You consider Bush being Governor as qualification, but don't consider that the Governor of Texas has no political power whatsoever.
2> A person can be a great leader in war but later say that there were war crimes committed -- they are not mutually exclusive.
2> And I don't think anyone said that Kerry was supported by all soldiers.
Sigma to the rescue again!!!
1. Not sure when I said that. But we can assume that being a leader of so many gives experience that is helpful when president, even though it is your opinion that the governor of Texas is powerless.
2. I don't think you guys get my point. He's using his experience in Vietnam as a crutch, but he expects to be able to pick-and-choose what aspects of his service we can all use to get an indication of him as a leader.
3. Of course that's not said. But Kerry tries to come off as some champion of the struggles of Vietnam, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
Why is the media attacking these anti-Kerry swift boat veterans and accusing them of being in the back pocket of a Texan Bush supporter? Why weren't the veterans who stood with him at the convention accused of being bought off?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Why is the media attacking these anti-Kerry swift boat veterans and accusing them of being in the back pocket of a Texan Bush supporter? Why weren't the veterans who stood with him at the convention accused of being bought off?
My friend, we know the answer to these questions don't we? Because that would require them to be non-biased, and since they are supporting Kerry all the way, well...
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
Are you currently in the military, or are you former military?
no. but i have family and friends who are currently enlisted and/or vets.
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Simply because you do not believe the reserves do anything worth a damn in the war effort, doesn't make it so, and any military person knows this.
i don't think i said any of that or insinuated it. i'm just comparing the service of a soldier who fought in battle to a part time reservist and my interpretation of respect between the two.
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I have far more respect for a man who did his service (even if it wasn't to be considered heroic) than a man who did an extra short-tour, received multiple purple hearts for minor wounds (cheapening the medals actual worth), and then came home to spout lies and spread hatred about the soldiers still risking their lives.
and you have a god given right to your opinion even if it doesn't agree with mine.
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no. but i have family and friends who are currently enlisted and/or vets.
That is exactly why our opinions differ. You cannot truely understand what its like to be deployed to a hot-zone until it happens to you and you're kissing your children goodbye, perhaps for the last time. You feel more confident having a CiC sending you into battle when his history shows he'll quickly turn on you and call you a "baby killer" when it suits him, while I feel more confident with a CiC that earned his wings and served his time.
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i don't think i said any of that or insinuated it. i'm just comparing the service of a soldier who fought in battle to a part time reservist and my interpretation of respect between the two.
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in comparison to a man that weaseled his way out of the same situation he's trying to send me into.
Sorry, but I took offense to this. Every single person in the military signed the dotted line to protect our country. Saying the going into the reserves is weaseling out of something is putting down the thousands of soldiers overseas this very moment.
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and you have a god given right to your opinion even if it doesn't agree with mine.
Us military folk think of this differently as well. While god may have granted us the right to free speech, it was our military who makes sure we keep it, even those who were in the reserves. 
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
You feel more confident having a CiC sending you into battle when his history shows he'll quickly turn on you and call you a "baby killer" when it suits him
i don't agree with you that kerry as CIC would do that. and i think it's far fetched to assume any CIC would so.
Originally posted by EternalOne:
while I feel more confident with a CiC that earned his wings and served his time.
but how do you feel about a CIC that avoided being sent to battle in comparison to CIC that volunteered? in either case i'm not so sure i can definitively say bush served his time when there are gaps in his service record.
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Sorry, but I took offense to this. Every single person in the military signed the dotted line to protect our country. Saying the going into the reserves is weaseling out of something is putting down the thousands of soldiers overseas this very moment.
imo it's pretty hard to overlook the priviledged people who used their connections to go into a reserve role in order to avoid being drafted and sent to vietnam. on the same note there are many who were valiant in their service as reservists and i do not belittle their commitment one bit. to me there is some distinction between those who served because they felt compelled to and those who did it to avoid being sent to battle.
edit: and my previous comment you quoted was in reference to the vietnam situation, not in general reference to modern day reservists.
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Us military folk think of this differently as well. While god may have granted us the right to free speech, it was our military who makes sure we keep it, even those who were in the reserves.
no disagreement there.
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got free speech? Funny, I didn't see the DNC caring when Michael Moore went after George Bush. Whatever happened to liberals being open to all points of view?
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