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Originally posted by zgendron:
Oh well, not like I actually expected a sweep. Hell, if we win all of our upcoming series (2 out of 3, or 3 out of 4), we'll definately be in the post season.
the question is how long will we last in the post season, oakland is looking really really good after the allstar break 
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Originally posted by Goonz12 (SVT):
the question is how long will we last in the post season, oakland is looking really really good after the allstar break
Assuming they make it to the Post Season... The AL West looks like it will go to the bitter end.
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Originally posted by zgendron:
Assuming they make it to the Post Season... The AL West looks like it will go to the bitter end.
thats true, we're currently a game and a half behind texas for the wild car though 
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hopefully he'll quite his whining with the cubs  Orlando better step it up, I'm getting quite tired and impatient
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Originally posted by Goonz12 (SVT):
Orlando better step it up, I'm getting quite tired and impatient
What are you talking about! He's already made some incredible plays at short that Nomar DEFINATELY would not have made. If you think he's going to be as strong offensively, you'll have a long wait for that.
We didn't pick him up for his offense. We needed the defense to go around the strong pitching.
I think Doug will do really well here as a doubles hitter.
(In withdrawl from night without Sox)
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Originally posted by Goonz12 (SVT):
hopefully he'll quite his whining with the cubs Orlando better step it up, I'm getting quite tired and impatient
I would love to see some documented "Whining" by Nomar. That is complete [censored]. another thing created by the media to sell papers and the average idiot throws like a girl and knows nothing about baseball buys into it. The guy has given it his all year in and year out and while he has had some injury issues the guy has always performed. Are we gonna rip him for only hitting .307 because he hit .350 in the past and is a lifetime .320 hitter? Give me a break. People talk like nomar is a horrible defensive shortstop. does he make some errors, yes. Does he make more plays than most SS's Absolutely. It's called range factor boys. Manny is the premier offensive player of this generation and one the best of all time and he is still a GOOD defensive outfielder. I'm not saying he is great, but he is solid. People mistake making something look easy for being lazy . It's a 162 game season. When you hit .325 40 130 year in and year out you have earned the right to jog out a popup in the infield. Bottom line is manny's so called loafing and Nomar's "whining" have not been the cause of this team losing. Poor personnel decisions and hiring of bad in game managers are doing this team in.
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I have to strongly disagree with you on many accounts here.
1.) I don't think the Media is to blame for the Nomar thing. It is clearly a shared blame on both sides. Nomar initially rejected the 60 million offer, that the Red Sox felt was incredibly fair. Nomar rejected it in hopes of further negogiations. The Sox felt insulted by this, since it was an INCREDIBLY FAIR OFFER!
As a result, the A-Rod thing began. That was handled very poorly by both sides as well. There should have been continued communication between both sides. There wasn't.
With that said, Nomars ego (which we know is pretty sensitive), was seriously damaged, and possibly irreperable. John Henry did not help the situation either, and continued no communication.
Take us up to just before the Trade deadline. Nomar reports to trainers and manager that he'll need to take some serious time off in order to play in September. This includes days off throughout August, and possibly time on the DL. Nomar forced the Red Sox into trade negotiations. With our current injury list growing, we CANNOT afford to have our SS on the DL for any length of time, especially if we're making a play for the wildcard! The Red Sox had no choice but to trade Nomar.
Now with that said, this was a good trade for us. The one thing that has been killing this team this year is dumb dumb dumb fielding and errors. We've lost way to many games due to errors. This team was built around GREAT pitching. Possibly the best in the league. However, we have not exibited the defense to back up the pitching. This trade seriously strenghtened our infield defense. I absolutely do not believe our poor playing is the result of management and personnel decisions. Sure, we had a couple tough calls by the 3rd base coach the last couple nights, but that's only 2 games out of 100 or so. The majority of our games have been good players playing marginally, and that's been our problem.
In addition, there have been rumors that the clubhouse isn't quite the same as a result of Nomar being moody. I think with all the trade talks done, things can get back to normal. Its amazing how you haven't heard any whining from Varitek, and he's kept quite about everything even though his contract is up. By the way, he's one guy I'd really like to see us sign.
2.) NO ONE EVER has the "RIGHT" to jog out a pop-fly. On more than one occasion, Manny's jogging attitude has cost him. When you're earning the kind of money he is, your club has paid for you to give 100% 100% of the time! Jogging out anything is total BS!
Ok, that's enough from me. I'll be at the game on Wednesday, and I'm looking forward to seeing Orlando and Doug playing some defense. Now if we can just get someone to put the stop sign up at 3rd, we'll be much better off.
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I've heard that Nomar (while with the Red Sox) lost his interest in the dug out, he wasn't rooting like everyone else would be in the dug out, it got to a point where he wasn't even talking to anyone, he'd just get his bats and other stuff, then leave. Thats a pretty pissy conduct to have and I don't feel bad at all that he's gone, sometimes I do though 
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Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
People talk like nomar is a horrible defensive shortstop. does he make some errors, yes. Does he make more plays than most SS's Absolutely. It's called
*below average shortstop*.
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
Manny is the premier offensive player of this generation and one the best of all time and he is still a GOOD defensive outfielder.
Then why did he dive to cut off a throw from Johnny Damon just a few weeks ago? Less than a rookie mistake from one of the best of all time.
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
People mistake making something look easy for being lazy.
Every year that Manny has played for the Sox, he's let how many balls drop in front of him or past him because he just didn't MOVE for the ball? THAT is being lazy. Johnny Damon makes it look easy. Manny looks lazy.
Originally posted by DJ Capp 911:
...you have earned the right to jog out a popup in the infield.
So just because you do one part of your job slightly better than someone else means that you can be lazy the rest of the time? If I did that at my job, I'd be fired immediately, and I'd expect it.
And a whopping 162 game season? Cry me a damn river. I (and I assume most of the people on this board) work their asses off all year 'round (yes, even in the rain, unlike pro baseball players) for a minor fraction of what these guys are getting paid. We also work a lot harder at our jobs than these people do. Pro baseball players are pro because they're the best at what they do, which inherently makes their job easier for them, because they're that good at what they do. And don't give me the "they work hard in the off season" crap. If they worked hard during the off season, there would be 3 weeks of spring training so the team can gel, and that would be it. Given the way lineups change through the season, don't try to tell me it's so they can get their lineup set.
Nomar whined last year, the year before, and the year before that. He produced NOTHING in the post-season last year. He hasn't been the same player since the wrist injury. He also hasn't produced anything "special" since 1998. That's 6 years. He's a big name, and a decent guy, and is a face for the Sox. Is he a great player? Frankly, I'd rather have Pokey Reese in the slot. Johnny Damon is a far better player than Nomar could ever hope to be, IMO. Hell, Johnny gives himself a serious concussion in the playoffs last year and came back the next week. And STILL produced more than Nomar did.
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