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Originally posted by JaTo:
Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
If the middle class paid taxes at the same rate as the rich, there would be no deficit.
LMAO!
I've found my new tag-line in debates over taxation.
Just to clear some things up here, not slammin' anyone here, but do you guys know that the top 5% of wage earners are not only the people that provide the majority of our jobs, but they pay well over 50% of the taxes. Because of the Bush tax cuts, those same people have re-invested into their business' and because of that, BINGO, we've had jobs on the rise over the past 14 monthes  I know our company has been VERY busy and we're in the tool coating business which in turn means alot of things are being made, thus job security!
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Because of the Bush tax cuts, those same people have re-invested into their business' and because of that, BINGO, we've had jobs on the rise over the past 14 monthes I know our company has been VERY busy and we're in the tool coating business which in turn means alot of things are being made, thus job security!
I'm a Libertarian, so I don't agree with the vast majority of our taxation, but if you really believe that a Keynesian "tax cut" helped your company hire more people, I, first, wanna hit of whatever your smoking, and then have a bridge to sell you.
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A relaxed tax environment can HELP stimulate job growth when taken into conjunction with a rebound in economic conditions...
...though I do agree that it's pushing things to solely attribute job and economic growth through tax cuts alone.
It takes more than just one piece of the equation to push our economy one way or the other.
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Originally posted by Rara:
Ok, just a couple of simple points.
1. We've been fighting a war, it costs lots of money whether you agree with it or not.
2. We are still $76 billion better than projected last year. (according to the article)
Still sucks, but that's the way our government has been for a long time, its not going to change over night.
Not just that, but it GETTING WORSE.
White House did the same predictions LAST year. It's nothing but budget SPIN to the extreme to claim that because the figure was less than White House projected that this supposedly means economy or budget figures are improving.
1. We were fighting wars in previous years with LESS deficit.
2. We have already EXCEEDED the deficit of last year, and it's still got another 3 months to grow.
Again, I can't possibly believe that doing better than original White House budget projection figure is Good. The projection was highest monetary deficit EVER conceived! OF COURSE WE ARE DOING BETTER THAN THAT!! Even though our deficit for this year is STILL the highest deficit in $ wise ever, and highest in % of GNP since the height of the Cold War under Reagan's administration.
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I'd give more credit to decreased interest rates for our recovery than anything else.
While government having pumped $1 trillion into the economy with loan-backed goverment programs has also 'helped' the economy, that can't last for much longer and it will have to be paid back sooner or later. And managing that debt will become more and more expensive as economy begins to improve and interest rates go back up.
Our goverment is digging a big hole for it self.
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Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
If the middle class paid taxes at the same rate as the rich, there would be no deficit.
WTF... are you an idiot or what? if the middle class paid taxes at the same rate as the rich, the government would have no money. Maybe you don't pay attention to who gets the tax breaks and who gets the extra taxes, but is sure isn't the rich.
But that is beside the point, if the previous Dumbocrat in office had spent some time actually guarding the interests the nation, instead of cutting budgets to defense and intelligence, signing into unfair trade agreements, or locking himself in his office with interns, 9-11 WOULD have been prevented and thousands of lives would NOT have been lost. But most importantly, the recession that resulted from the shippment of hundreds-of-thousands of jobs out of the country and a weak market after the attacks would NOT have occured.Let's not forget, had Clinton done a good job, there would have been no bill for cleaning up New York, DC, and Pennsilvania after the attacks, and there would have been no war in Afganistan.
I do not doubt that we would still be in Iraq, anyone can see that Bush had Saddam in his sights from the begining, but just imagine if the CIA and FBI still had the funds to track threats here and abroad for those eight years, the flimsy intelligence reports of WMD in Iraq, would have accurately showed what was there, and justification for invasion would have been much more difficult to deliver. Of-course proper funding would have prevented the 9-11 attacks, which would have kept us out of Afganistan (look even less money spent). No terrorist attack + no war in Afganistan = no public fear over the misreported WMD in Iraq = No war with Iraq = NO HUGE WAR EXPENSES.
Clinton never really accomplished anything while in office, well, except letting the UN get pushed around by Saddam, (while many of the UN nations were making money off Saddam), Clinton managed to set us up for an easy attack, and he and his fellow democrats sold-out the American workers by signing into the NAFTA agreement (which is a direct cause for the rise in unemployment). I think people need to start connecting the dots, not just focusing on one or two.
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Originally posted by Wyrp:
Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
If the middle class paid taxes at the same rate as the rich, there would be no deficit.
WTF... are you an idiot or what? if the middle class paid taxes at the same rate as the rich, the government would have no money. Maybe you don't pay attention to who gets the tax breaks and who gets the extra taxes, but is sure isn't the rich.
Wow, if that wasn't ignorance, I don't know what is.
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Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by Wyrp:
Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
If the middle class paid taxes at the same rate as the rich, there would be no deficit.
WTF... are you an idiot or what? if the middle class paid taxes at the same rate as the rich, the government would have no money. Maybe you don't pay attention to who gets the tax breaks and who gets the extra taxes, but is sure isn't the rich.
Wow, if that wasn't ignorance, I don't know what is.
That's no joke. That qualifies as one of the dumbest things I've ever heard on CEG, Hitman notwithstanding.
Wyrp, I'll give you a second chance to think out what I meant by that statement, and you can re-post when you've figured it out.
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JerseyCat - u should know better than posting anti-republican threads on this Forum. 
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