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#1016704 07/30/04 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
Voting records indicate how a politician perceives a given context, and the voters make their choices dependent upon whether they like how the candidate makes those perceptions. After 20 years in the Senate, we can make a pretty good guess at where John Kerry stands as it relates to military spending, health care, etc. And those stances are quite liberal. After only a few years in the Senate, the only conclusions we can draw about Edwards is that he is extremely liberal.

Every time the Republicans bring up John Kerry's voting record, the Democrats accuse them of playing dirty politics and making personal attacks. So there must be something wrong with his voting record, no?




No.

When Bush campaing uses lines like "Senators Edwards And Kerry Voted Against Increased Combat Pay And Armored Humvees.", there is reason to call it dirty politics.
Look at article titled "AP buys Bush spin on Kerry's defense record (3/18)" at http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2004_03_14_archive.html


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so based on what I have read I guess CEGERS will vote for bush or am I incorrect.

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No because some liberals will say that they actually wanted to vote for Kerry on this online poll, but the voting card was too confusing and the chads did not completely detach from the forms. So their votes were actually for Kerry. Then Al Sharpton will post here saying we stole the votes of black CEGer's and made them vote for Bush.


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he was TOTALLY ripping off JFK, it was annoying as hell. . .whatever, I think I should run for President, the fools we have in office aren't going to be any better. . .

And sh$t, I didn't fight in 'Nam, because I'm too damn young. . .and the gov't wouldn't let me fight in this war either, so crap, I'm PERFECT!

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SOME cegers will be voting for bush. the ceg is a conservative/republican stronghold if you haven't figured it out already. it won't matter because it's becoming more and more clear that he's not even an alright leader, all he has going for him is that he's over anxious to push the war button which a lot of people seem to like.

if we weren't in the midst of a war it would be a no-brainer that bush has to go. it's like he has no vision for the future of our country.

i predict a stunning loss for bush. he'll definitely lose the popular vote again, but who knows how the electoral folks will sway. we already know how his supreme court buddies feel.


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Originally posted by contour_phoenix_when:
so based on what I have read I guess CEGERS will vote for bush or am I incorrect.




that would be incorrect.

it stunks having to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, but i am still too young to write myself in.


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I was going to just post the link, but I think you need a logon to get into NYP. Here is Dick Morris' article today about Kerry/the DNC:

Originally posted by Dick Morris:

THE BAGEL CANDIDACY

July 30, 2004 -- I LOVED Bill Clinton's speech. I was inspired by John Edwards. Bar ack Obama thrilled me. Max Cleland made me grow as a person as I heard him . . .
And then there was John Kerry.

All around him was eloquence but, in the center of the bagel, there was a speech that was a letdown.

And did he just tell 140,000 men and women fighting in Iraq that they are there because of a mistake?

By insisting that we are in Iraq because we "want to be," rather than because we "have to be," he is telling them that they are risking their lives for an optional, elective adventure. The fact is, that the reason we have not been attacked in the United States is that the terrorists are fleeing from cave to cave in Afghanistan and from building to building in Iraq â?? pursued by our heroic young men and women.

I honor his service in Vietnam. I think a man who knows what it is like to fight in a war is a good person to have as commander-in-chief. John Kerry is a good man. But what else is there?

Last time I checked, Sen. John Kerry was 60 years old. But to listen to his speech last night at the Democratic National Convention, you would think he was still in his 20s.



He opened up his talk with a lengthy and evocative description of his childhood and what it was like growing up in divided Berlin. He told us of the "goose bumps" he remembers getting when the band struck up "Stars and Stripes Forever."

Then, after this long rendition of his childhood, he tells us at length what it was like to serve in Vietnam for the four months that he was there. So far, so good.

But then he spent only about one minute talking about what he has done since.

Beyond a brief allusion to his efforts for crime victims and to prosecute crimes against women as an assistant district attorney, his support for Clinton's plan for extra cops and a balanced budget and a reference to his work with John McCain on the POW and MIA issue in Vietnam, that's it.

What did this man do as an adult? What happened during his service as Michael Dukakis' lieutenant-governor in Massachusetts and in his 20 years in the United States Senate?

What bills did he introduce? What initiatives did he sponsor? Which investigations did he lead? What amendments bear his name? What great debates did he participate in?

What did he do for his constituents in Massachusetts? What businesses did he persuade to come to the Bay State? Which elderly did he help get their Social Security benefits? What injustices did he correct?

Kerry's biography ends at 24.

America does not want to elect a lieutenant to the presidency. The voters want a commander-in-chief, but there is precious little in the autobiography of John Kerry, as we heard it last night, to commend him to us.

The Democratic National Convention closes as a nutritious, tasty, appetizing bagel â?? with a hole in the middle.

John Kerry? Oh yeah, he's the guy who fought in Vietnam and then he ran for president. That's not enough. Where did his 20 years in the Senate go?


Oddly, his absence of biography confirms the impression I formed of him during my White House years: He's a back-bencher. I never can recall a single time that his name came up in any discussion of White House strategy on anything. He was the man who wasn't there. We were always figuring out how to deal with Ted Kennedy or Pat Moynihan or Tom Daschle or Phil Gramm, or Al D'Amato or Bob Dole or Jesse Helms or Orin Hatch or Joe Biden. But nobody every asked about John Kerry.

He wasn't much there then, and he's not much there now. Only now he wants us to trust him to be president.




...that pretty much sums it up!

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I'm voting for Clinton.
The country was just fine while he was getting his jollies in the Oval Office.


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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
I'm voting for Clinton.
The country was just fine while he was getting his jollies in the Oval Office.



Apparently you aren't aware that most, if not all, planning for 9/11 was done while he was in office.

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Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
Originally posted by SleeperZ:
I'm voting for Clinton.
The country was just fine while he was getting his jollies in the Oval Office.



Apparently you aren't aware that most, if not all, planning for 9/11 was done while he was in office.



His screen-name says it all.........he was obviously asleep for the last 8 years.

Typical ostrich-like behavior - If I ignore it, it'll go away.

EDIT: Watching the DNC a few nights ago, I was flabegasted at the sheep clapping and cheering for Clinton when he walked on stage. How do people ignore the fact that this guy was/is a grade A1 douche bag?


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