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Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
Originally posted by IL Sean:
And the rest of the US has firgured out what???? No, the rest of the US has not firgured out how the President and his administration has lead this country into a war for no reason. Have you? Care to join people in the real world who can see that there were no massive stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, where faulty intel lead the US virtually alone into a hole which it may never come out of, where the leadership says no we didn't find WMD but Saddam wanted to make weapons and hated the US therefor he must be taken out. That's the world we live in, I don't know what you choose to see, but that is the plain and simple truth.
Yeah, GWB is a prime example of knowing absolutely nothing about what the purpose of war is. And they told me it was impossible to get a Contour to run 13s in the quarter mile.
The bottom line is that there's a fine line regarding the First Amendment, and Michael Moore has crossed it, thus paying the consequences of having everybody hate him. THAT'S the 'plain and simple' truth.
What fine line?
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Originally posted by infinitemethod:
I think he is. Along with this movie that I have not seen, will not see.
plenty of people think that micheal moore is a douche, but you can't point at anyone who has an opinion and say that..
for what reason do you believe he is a douche? because he doesn't believe the same things you do?
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Originally posted by IL Sean:
What fine line?
A line between intelligently and formally stating your opinion using factual references and just blatantly throwing something conjured up in the dusty corners of your mind out there for the world to see.
As an American, I presumed you might've already known this. For your sake, please prove me correct.
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Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
Originally posted by IL Sean:
What fine line?
A line between intelligently and formally stating your opinion using factual references and just blatantly throwing something conjured up in the dusty corners of your mind out there for the world to see.
As an American, I presumed you might've already known this. For your sake, please prove me correct.
I don't see where he lied, everything in F 9/11 is factual. He did the same thing O'Reily does everynight. I have looked at the moore bashing sites and nothing has convinced me. I looked around and if you look at the bigger picture Moore isn't lying.
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Originally posted by IL Sean:
And the rest of the US has firgured out what???? No, the rest of the US has not firgured out how the President and his administration has lead this country into a war for no reason. Have you? Care to join people in the real world who can see that there were no massive stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, where faulty intel lead the US virtually alone into a hole which it may never come out of, where the leadership says no we didn't find WMD but Saddam wanted to make weapons and hated the US therefor he must be taken out. That's the world we live in, I don't know what you choose to see, but that is the plain and simple truth.
I've never heard anything like that before. Thanks for bringing such revelations to this debate!
The plain and simple truth is that everyone, including the entire Clinton Administration, John Kerry, John Edwards, and Ted Kennedy, said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and needed to be taken out. Bush is the only one that had the balls to actually do so. It's a shame to see you join CNN and the left in blaming the Bush Administration for the intelligence that went bad during the Clinton Administration.
Well I'll cut my post off there. I feel like a broken record responding to a broken record.
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Originally posted by IL Sean:
I don't see where he lied, everything in F 9/11 is factual. He did the same thing O'Reily does everynight. I have looked at the moore bashing sites and nothing has convinced me. I looked around and if you look at the bigger picture Moore isn't lying.
If you still believe everything in that movie is factual, then you haven't read the articles in the links I posted. And besides, how do you know everything is factual?
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Originally posted by IL Sean:
I don't see where he lied, everything in F 9/11 is factual. He did the same thing O'Reily does everynight.
And yet liberals are b!tching left and right about "Fair and Balanced, whatever! Wahhhh!! O'Reilly is a travesty! Fox News is so conservative! Wahhhh!!"
But its OK for Moore to do it...
I think O'Reilly is an idiot. You think O'Reilly is an idiot.
I think Moore is an idiot. You think Moore is a saint.
See the problem?
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Originally posted by IL Sean:
I don't see where he lied, everything in F 9/11 is factual. I have looked at the moore bashing sites and nothing has convinced me. I looked around and if you look at the bigger picture Moore isn't lying.
That Newsweek site references numerous movie "facts" (the so called "Bin Laden-Bush" connection, the "Taliban-Bush" connection, the Saudi "escape" after 9/11. While soundbites were not altered perhaps, they were all shown to be unfounded accusations and in some cases indited Bush's critics MUCH more strongly than Bush. There are others BTW, the great single bite by Connie Rice on "Sadam and 9/11" is classic in that the qoute used in the movie gives the EXACT OPPOSITE viewpoint than the REMAINDER of the PARAGRAPH that was deleted. This is called DISTORTION which is different, but only subtly so than lying. THAT is the "bigger picture".
While political mudslinging has hit new lows this year (on both sides), a feature film using such blatant fact distortion is truley "novel". I commend Moore for his ability to influence "sheeple" on a large scale.
I think there is some wool to be shorn outside the theaters this year..
I am thinking of a movie too...
"The adventures of a terrorist hating conservative in a decadant democratic decade..the TRUE story of Bill Clinton"
Starring "Arnnnnold" as Newt Gingrich...
Burt Reynold as Bill Clinton
Roseanne Barr as Monica
Michael Jackson as Hillary
Pee-wee Herman as John F. Kerry
Mel Gibson as G.W. Bush
and...Howard Dean as himself
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he is a douche...but the movie was informative in a highly biased aspect.
he is just some failure who never made it in politics so now he just pisses of congress..while cameras follow him around....
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he is just some failure who never made it in politics
I believe being the youngest-ever elected official in the nation at the age of 18 to be slightly higher than a 'failure'. He's never attempted to attain office again and has said time and time again that he has no interest in doing so. I'm very sure that he could easily get elected in a liberal state if he so wanted to -- I just hope it's not mine.
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