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Did I mention the TC is only $16K. That's like $4k-$5k cheaper than the 6. Maybe unlike some people here, I work for a living and $4k is alot of money. I'm not looking for sreaming perfomance. I've got a motorcycle for that. I just like the list of standard features for the money. And it seems comparable performance to my 2000 SE Sport.
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None of them may be as dedicated at handling as the "zoom-zoom" brand (not all of America goes AutoXing), but as far as painting black lines on the pavement, the Honda Accord EX and Nissan Altima 3.5SE will certainly give the 6 a run for its money. Hell, 6s little brother, the 3 isn't all that far behind with a few key modifications.
Both the Accord and the Altima really push the envelope for being within $5000 of the Mazda6, with the similarly-equipped Accord being over $27,000 and the Altima being almost $29,000. Both companies gouge on option packages. Granted, on paper, the prices aren't that far off (about $2,000-$4,000 more each by sticker), but Nissan and Honda budge very little compared to the deep discounts that Mazda offers off the sticker. In the end, you pay $7,000 to $9,000 more for the Accord or Altima.
And I'm not one to pay many, many thousands more to get a car that's lacking in such key areas as handling and driving experience -- Emphasis on Driving Experience. I may not need the Mazda6s handling every day (or power for that matter), but I spend a lot of time in my car and nothing under $40,000 conveys the same experience in driving as what Mazda has been known for for years. The Accord ain't too terribly shabby (lack of MTX takes away a great deal), the Altima you don't drive -- you ride.
I'll agree with you on the Mazda3. If I wasn't a fan of larger sedans, and a little turned off by the look of the stock 3 (compared to the available bodykits), I would have gotten the Mazda3 (I bought my car the day the Mazda3 hit my dealer). The Mazda3s MTX will run a 1/4 right up there with the Mazda6s ATX -- with a 15.8 or so and turns-in far better than the front-heavy 6s.
It's hard to convey the driving experience and feel that Mazda somehow manages to build into their cars. I travel constantly, renting different cars every week, and have driven literally every current domestic car model and most of the imports. At the end of the week no matter what I've been driving, I am always literally looking forward to driving my Mazda. Everything else is just missing the immersiveness.
Semi-Related, and a tidbit of interesting trivia I read the other day -- Less than 8% of cars sold in the US are MTX but over 33% of Mazdas cars are equipped with MTX. Kinda gives a little peek into the demographic that buy Mazda.
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Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
The Scion tC is nothing more than a rebadged Japanese-market Toyota Avenis, which is an extremely well established platform in Japan and Europe, so I highly doubt it will have very many recalls at all.
uhh how do you figure... it looks nothing like it in any shape or form.
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Originally posted by Davo7SVT:
I guess if you want to be known as the douche bag who hopped on the bandwagon of ugly cheap-ass cars, then a Scion is for you!
Amen to that dude!!! 
Scions suck, sorry my friend. I'd rather buy a moped!! cheaper gas mileage 
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Originally posted by auiotour:
uhh how do you figure... it looks nothing like it in any shape or form.
Originally posted by SAV-ZX2:
The Scion tC is nothing more than a rebadged Japanese-market Toyota Avenis, which is an extremely well established platform in Japan and Europe, so I highly doubt it will have very many recalls at all.
I could see where you misunderstood, but the cars share the same platform, not the same styling. 
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You just quoted yourself saying: Quote:
The Scion tC is nothing more than a rebadged Japanese-market Toyota Avenis...
It's a long ways from that. All they share is the same floorpan.
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Originally posted by sigma:
You just quoted yourself saying:
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The Scion tC is nothing more than a rebadged Japanese-market Toyota Avenis...
It's a long ways from that. All they share is the same floorpan.
Did you see that I bolded "platform"? Maybe not.
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Yes, it is the same platform, but it's obviously not eve close to being a "re-badged Avensis".
Re-Badging is taking the exact same car and applying a different name to it, like the Atenza to the Mazda6.
Platform sharing is taking the same frame and applying different bodies, drivetrains, trims, etc.
While you can compare reliability levels amongst rebadged cars, as they are the same cars, you cannot compare reliability ratings with (most) platform-sharing cars as they can be totally different aside from the basic frame. It'd be like comparing the Contour to the Escape.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Yes, it is the same platform, but it's obviously not eve close to being a "re-badged Avensis".
Re-Badging is taking the exact same car and applying a different name to it, like the Atenza to the Mazda6.
Platform sharing is taking the same frame and applying different bodies, drivetrains, trims, etc.
While you can compare reliability levels amongst rebadged cars, as they are the same cars, you cannot compare reliability ratings with (most) platform-sharing cars as they can be totally different aside from the basic frame. It'd be like comparing the Contour to the Escape.
You're saying things I already know, but when two cars are built by the same company (Toyota, in this case) that share platforms, they're bound to share the same advantages/disadvantages. Comparing the Contour to the Escape is a little relevant, but there are better examples out there.
Just don't overheat yourself posting about it. I clarified my mistake, so I don't see any other huge problems here.
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You haven't clarified your mistake, you just outline a different part of it. the Contour was rebadged, with minor changes to keep parts incompativle and US approved, from the Mondeo. No, the Toyota Avenis and the Scion TC, might share the same platform as the contour mtx75 and the jagaur mtx75 transmissions, pretty much same platform but nothing the same....
This really doesn't matter. Just you said two different things. You said the Avenis a very well known or whatever platform in europe/japan. You said nothing of the TC and avenis sharing the same platform. You called the TC a rebadged avenis. which is not true.
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