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as difficult as it is to interpret the quoted post as english....i'll give it a whirl. Originally posted by auiotour:
The focus svt is not worth your time, at least the zx3 model.
fwiw, the ZX3 and ZX5 models are identical save for the number of doors. same wheelbase, same features, same motor/suspension/etc. ad infinitum.
Originally posted by auiotour:
It sucks my sisters boyfriend has one (lives with us) and he hates it. I mean someone barely hit him (tbone) and it just smashes to hell. almost costed half the cars worth, 2 months after he bought it.
any t-bone accident shy of a gentle 5-mph nudge is going to do some significant damage to ANY car. there's a lot of sheetmetal there and not much room for it to go anywhere...and besides, given the FSVT depreciation rate, half the car's value really isn't all that much money - sad to say. before i bought a miata last fall, i looked at numerous 1-year-old FSVT's w/ under 6-8k miles that were priced in the low/mid-teen's (compared w/ a $20k sticker).
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The car is weak, and can't even beat his old csvt. When we have gotten on the highway we raced to 60, and he barely wins against my stock 99 se sport.
well, considering the FSVT has 170 hp vs. the CSVT's 200, and given published 0-60 times that are about 1/3 to 1/2 sec in favor of the CSVT - that sounds about right. if anybody buys an SVT focus (or contour, for that matter) to beat anyone in a straight line, they're missing the entire point of the car.
Originally posted by auiotour:
Not to impressive, and the cheap 8 inch sub is horrible sounding, he wants to replace that. the seat belts look horrible,
there aren't many OEM sound systems in lower-end cars that have true audiophile-quality sound (though some are rather dubiously named as such - like the FSVT audio upgrade), so whoopty-freaking-doo. and critiquing the seat belt?  who even looks at the stinkin' seat belt? as long as it does its job, who cares what it looks like? i'd venture to say that it'll never be a design element in 99.9% of all cars on the road.... 
Originally posted by auiotour:
the interior is awsome looking on the fsvt gotta give it that. but the engine is week. maybe if the new fsvt is a duretec.. I would say yes. Due to its crappy motor, and [censored] sound system, and honda sound muffler.... i know I would take a scion tc over a focus svt.
there isn't a new FSVT; it's gone after '04. no '05 w/ a duratec or any such animal as that.
i'd definitely say that the zetec would not be my first choice of a powerplant; i'd much rather have the 2.5L or 3L duratec in there myself, but i wouldn't go so far as to call the breathed-on FSVT zetec "crappy". to each their own.
i've driven the FSVT, and aside from a shift pattern that i couldn't seem to get used to on the test drive, i was impressed with it. i like the subtle body mods that SVT installed, and i think the overall package is spot-on....though an extra 30 hp would certainly spice things up a bit. i think SVT was a bit too nearsighted in putting a 170hp sporty hatchback on the market when similar money can buy you an SRT-4 or something like that....but whatever.
another 2 pennies worth....<shrug>
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I saw a gunmetal gray TC on the way home today. I definitely like the exterior, at least in muted metal colors.
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A $20,500 car with 203 bhp and five speed sounds pretty good to me.
I paid the same for a much bigger engine with 20 more horsepower (50 more now with minimal investment) and a much bigger and arguably "nicer" car that most definitely drives much better.
I like the TC, and on the lower end you're getting a good deal. But when you start adding in those options the "deal" starts going away.
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A $20,500 car with 203 bhp and five speed sounds pretty good to me.
I paid the same for a much bigger engine with 20 more horsepower (50 more now with minimal investment) and a much bigger and arguably "nicer" car that most definitely drives much better.
If you haven't driven a tC, then I don't think you can speak of how much better the 6 drives compared to it. You paid for a car that is much bigger (adds weight) and arguably nicer (I could care less if silver plastic isn't really aluminum) and an engine that has a smaller aftermarket than the tC will. Sure the 6 is cool, but it's no longer the screaming deal it use to be with new stuff coming to the market, and the 6 doesn't even sit in the same class as a tC (4dr sedan, 2dr coupe). The 6, I feel, has become much too overrated on this site (oh, it's the next Contour!), and there are going to be/already are cars out there that have caught and passed it.
This is my opinion and I'm not bashing the 6 per-se, but if given the choice, I'd take the Scion.
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You're right about the scion and 6 not being in the same class. But I'd definitely take the 6 over the scion. Even with less of an aftermarket, I'm sure it'll have enough to make a great car out of (just like contours). It's roomier, looks better, and is a bit nicer. Plus it won't fit in with all the ricers as much as the Tc, always a plus for me.
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Ross you have yellow everything on your car, so you don't count.  You better be down here soon, it's getting pretty f'ing boring in Sav.
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Originally posted by blake:
i'd definitely say that the zetec would not be my first choice of a powerplant; i'd much rather have the 2.5L or 3L duratec in there myself, but i wouldn't go so far as to call the breathed-on FSVT zetec "crappy". to each their own.
Not exactly anyone's first choice, but if you could figure out a way to have the duratec in there while still meeting crash standards, then let ford know, because they couldn't figure it out. Though the zetec in a focus with mods is a car to reckon with. There are all engine zetec foci running 12s and turbo'd zetecs pushing 300hp on the street and over 500hp at the strip. Though I'd much rather slap a v8 with rwd conversion in one and slaughter expensive cars (check out motor trend's test of ford's rs8 focus against a lambo).
That said, I still wouldn't buy a fsvt as long as there is the srt4 to be had. It has good handling (a notch under the fsvt perhaps due to it being designed for good traction, but you can change that with a few mods) and good power and drivetrain that can handle a good bit more than stock power. No having to build the engine up to have over 300whp as a daily driver is a plus. Though the interior is crappy along with some other stuff, the engine and handling make up for it.
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If you haven't driven a tC, then I don't think you can speak of how much better the 6 drives compared to it. You paid for a car that is much bigger (adds weight) and arguably nicer (I could care less if silver plastic isn't really aluminum) and an engine that has a smaller aftermarket than the tC will.
I have driven a Tc, we've had them in DFW for some time now, and they most definitely don't have the handling ability nor the driving 'feel' of the Mazda6. Both are areas that Toyota has never really been able to do nearly as well as others in, nor even tried to.
And who cares about the size of the Engine Aftermarket? (although it's far from small and more than sufficient, things just cost more due to lack of competition) My engine puts out more power stock than a super-charged, near its' limits, Tc engine with $4,000 worth of work. And even with the weight difference, I'll bet you that a stock Mazda6s would still beat it in 0-60 and 1/4 and definitely in any AutoX because of how well it puts the power on the ground.
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Sure the 6 is cool, but it's no longer the screaming deal it use to be with new stuff coming to the market, and the 6 doesn't even sit in the same class as a tC (4dr sedan, 2dr coupe).
Agreed they're different classes... which leads me to wonder what "new stuff" has come to the market in the 6s' class (or even elsewhere) that makes it not a 'screaming deal' -- you can still grab a brand-new, fully-loaded, Mazda6s for $21,000.
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The 6, I feel, has become much too overrated on this site (oh, it's the next Contour!), and there are going to be/already are cars out there that have caught and passed it.
Name something within $5,000 and I'll grant you this -- the absolute closest thing I can think of is the new Legacy GT, which will set you back close to $30,000. Not a single midsize sedans in the low-20s, offering many 'luxury' features, can run a 6.4 0-60, 14.8 1/4, and pull a full g on the skidpad (once you get rid of the crappy stock Michelins).
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Your age and mine must be pretty different. Either that, or we have some loyalty issues.
The new Legacy GT is one of several that lines up at the lights against the 6s. None of them may be as dedicated at handling as the "zoom-zoom" brand (not all of America goes AutoXing), but as far as painting black lines on the pavement, the Honda Accord EX and Nissan Altima 3.5SE will certainly give the 6 a run for its money. Hell, 6s little brother, the 3 isn't all that far behind with a few key modifications.
Bottom line is that there's only so many turns you can find on public roads to experience such a vast handling advantage.
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