Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
Originally posted by jaxsvt:


++Are you telling me that unshielded Lightning Audio cable is as good as Streetwires ZN5.0's??? I don't think so. Part of properly setting up a system, and I think everyone will agree is having the proper wire for your requirements.
Whether it's the kid who just wants some bass or someone like me who wants it all and doesn't really care if it costs twice as much.




sheilding is ONLY neccessary if there is noise inherent in the system design. it's simple. the only thing that needs to be proper is the type and size. otherwise, trying to eliminate noise by purchasing expensive wire is akin to putting band-aids over herpes sores. it may seem to help mask the problem, but it's not actually doing anything to cure it.
--Answer the question. You posed it. I never said my car didn't have the possibilty to have problems but that I took steps to avoid them at a later time. And dude!, whatever it is that you do with your herpes should be left off the boards.


Originally posted by jaxsvt:

++Dude, was it "clear" or "inferred" make up your mind as they are opposite in meaning in this context. Kinda like "Oxy-moron". I can certainly agree that the audio forum members have little tollerance for perpetuating myth... So, what myth is it that I am prepetuating...???





your lack of a firm grasp on the usage of the english language doesn't suprise me. the two words are not opposite.

you are clearly inferring (insinuating)that more expensive cables help your system sound better. which is one of the biggest myths in audio, especially car audio. if it's not a myth, prove it. show us some evidence.

--There you go again. clear=without a doubt, inferring=to conclude by reasoning(which you can't do). FOR THE FINAL TIME. I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT MONSTER CABLE WAS THE BEST OUT THERE!!! NOR DID I "INFER" THAT IT GIVES MY SYSTEM SOME SORT OF SUPERIORITY. If you chose to continue along this line of crap about what wire whoever uses please be prepared to talk to yourself.
Originally posted by jaxsvt:

++I never asked anyone to do anything. Please...
"You are truly the king of double standards" Get over yourself MX. Unless you have something specific to say reguarding the post at hand - just be quiet and observe.





i didn't say you asked for anything sparky. your whining about it speaks for itself. and i have no need to get over myself. i'm not the one on here telling everyone his stuff is the best, am i? as for specifics.... your opinions regarding wiring are simply a product of clever marketing and a litany of mis-information that has been perpetuated by know-nothings who have only hearsay to back up their positions.

is that specific enough for you?

Are you drunk? Here you go again on wiring. Who cares?

Originally posted by jaxsvt:

++I don't care if you listen to it or not.



thats funny, you mentioned that we should come up and listen to it twice in the last two pages.... i think perhaps you do, in fact, care.

--No, "I invite you to come over and listen for yourself. Are there good sounding alternatives for less money - yes. Do they sound this good - not a chance in hell" This is for your own edification(look this up, you'll need to).

Originally posted by jaxsvt:

And who cares about the money? This money issue has been harped on enough already. Did I ever say that money was an issue? Did I ever say that you couldn't build a good system for less money?




i could care less how much you've spent on your system. there are more than a few of us here who have spent exceptional amounts of money in the pursuit of excellence in the arena of automotive audio reproduction. but it's our hobby, and not an area of bragging rights or one-upmanship.

-- The point of how much I spent was to form a cap as to which you could spend. That is if you are still up to your challenge.

Originally posted by jaxsvt:


Did I ever say that you couldn't build a good system for less money?




actually, you said:

"I invite you to come over and listen for yourself. Are there good sounding alternatives for less money - yes. Do they sound this good - not a chance in hell.

and that would be our point of contention. because i think there is a pretty good chance, right here in good old michigan, that it would sound better.

-- I doubt it. I've been to plenty of competitions in the Northeast and you can't get better sound without spending more money. I ask everyone of the competitors how much they spent to get it the way they like it and it has ALWAYS been more than I have spent. Besides what do you know about how my system sounds... you won't even get off your butt to find out unless I wave some cash infront of you.
Originally posted by jaxsvt:


About the only person who seems to be caring about the money is MX and dnewma04. Do you guys need some money or something?? Are you broke? I'd be glad to help out a fellow CEG'r if they could prove to me that they could pay it back.





it's not about the money, it's about proving you wrong. but i'm not going to spend time and money to do so without getting paid (and believe me, we would get paid) in the end. otherwise, i'm not going to spend the money to just shut up another keyboard commando.

--Yada Yada, so says you. It's about proving me wrong... I thought it was your hobby?? "another keyboard commando" you come up with that one yourself? How many of these people(keyboard commandos) come on these boards all gunning for you? Face it. You wouldn't get paid - not because I don't have the cash but because you don't have the balls to come over here and get the whipping that's owed to you. I've invited you twice now. Now I'm calling you out. Put up or shut up or else you're the "keyboard commando".

Originally posted by jaxsvt:

I guess all there would be is a couple stipulations. You build your system but you can't use any of the equipment that I use. So, No Boston Acoustics




crap! no harsh tweeters? how will we win???
--What, you gonna use Focal? The Z6's are the only set to beat Focals.


Originally posted by jaxsvt:


JLAudio




nice but exceptionally overpriced.
--I agree!
Originally posted by jaxsvt:


Eclipse
--As above




see above

Originally posted by jaxsvt:


Dynomat




see above

Originally posted by jaxsvt:


and let's not forget MONSTER CABLE.




i'll use wire from the hardware store. how about that?
--Funny that's how Monster started too... Hum, maybee you're onto something.


Don't forget... you're gonna build it for half the cost of mine. Don't forget to pay yourselves(master installers) for your time as well. Let's see 10 hours at $50 and hour - a modest fee for the obvious audio gueniuses that you two are. And tax on the equipment(retail cost here guys) none of this deep employee discount stuff. So I figure you have about $2,000 to spend.




i won't be paying myself(BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE CASH) because i'm not an installer, nor is dave. and neither of us get any sort of employee discount. but that doesn't mean we are going to pay retail either. just because you're a sucker(THIS SUCKER HAS THE CASH) doesn't mean everyone else has to be as well.

since you won't do this for money (as you have nothing to lose if you don't), this is all just conjecture.

again, as dave stated, nobody is bashing your system. just contending a few of your points is all.

--You have absolutely no points to contest. Every point you have made I have answered with you refusing to answer the 1st question. You're a waste of time and are now wasting my time. I'll state again;
Face it. You wouldn't get paid - not because I don't have the cash but because you don't have the balls to come over here and get the whipping that's owed to you. I've invited you twice now. Now I'm calling you out. Put up or shut up or else you're the "keyboard commando".

Originally posted by jaxsvt:


Whether it's the kid who just wants some bass or someone like me who wants it all and doesn't really care if it costs twice as much.




i guess thats where the difference lies. perhaps you just feel better about your system design if you spend extra money on cabling. the rest of us simply know better.

Igronance is bliss - you must be orgasmic. Besides, it can be your little secret.



I'm done with you.

Jack